[Greenbuilding] Microwaved water

Thu Sep 29 18:10:37 CDT 2011

Very nice site indeed.
Thanks John,
  Joe

> Bonjour Michael,
>
> And a thorough well referenced web site from a scientist  at South Bank
> University,
> London all about water.
>
> http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/index2.html
>
> Cordialement
>
> --
> John DAGLISH, B.Arch,1984
>
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>
> Monday, September 26, 2011, 7:39:11 PM, you wrote / vous ecrirez:
>
> MOB> Hi, Steve--
>
> MOB> There is a teaching of Buddha that seems relevant--
>
> MOB> Do Not Believe in Anything
> MOB> Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
>
> MOB> Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by
> many.
>
> MOB> Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your
> religious books.
>
> MOB> Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers
> and elders.
>
> MOB> Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for
> many generations.
>
> MOB> But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything
> agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and
> all, then accept it and live up to it.
>
> MOB> I'd say you have the first part of the lesson, and encourage you to
> consider that last part.
>
> MOB> Best,
>
> MOB> Mike O'Brien
>
>
>
>
> MOB> On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:50 AM, natural building wrote:
>
>>> I love it when people (usually with lots of letters after their names)
>>> come out with categoric statements like: 'This is NOT true'!
>>>
>>> If all those people had been 'right' the world would still be flat and
>>> we'd be feeding Thalidomide to pregnant mothers!
>>>
>>> History is saturated with accounts of supposedly intelligent people
>>> making claims that are later proved to be wrong. We continue to learn.
>>> And if there's one thing that History teaches us (if we
>>> aren't too clever to learn) it's that what we THINK is an absolute
>>> truth, probably isn't.
>>>
>>> Hey, CERN has just discovered that neutrinos might travel faster than
>>> the speed of light.
>>> Damn, another 'absolute' belief going out the window... ! Sorry Albert.
>>> Nice try.
>>>
>>> In healthy 'disbelief'
>>>
>>> Steve Satow
>>>
>>> www.naturalbuildingsite.net
>>> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
>>>
>>> On 2011-09-26, at 8:49 AM, Joe Killian wrote:
>>>
>>>>   Having spent 21 total years in school culminating in a PhD program
>>>> in Atmospheric Physics, let me say that the poisoned water from a
>>>> microwave story is pure paranoid fancy and you should be
>>>> careful what you choose to believe.
>>>>   Joe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/26/2011 8:31 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe somebody on this list with a microwave can do the test? Seems
>>>>> like a pretty big deal worth looking into?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>>>
>>>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM, natural building
>>>>> <naturalbuilding at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>>> While  I make no claims as to whether the 'microwaved water' story is
>>>>> true or false.
>>>>> I do question whether 'Snopes' is the right authority with which to
>>>>> categorically dismiss it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Steve Satow
>>>>>
>>>>> www.naturalbuildingsite.net
>>>>> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2011-09-26, at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Gennaro,
>>>>>> when I read your message i knew the plant experiment couldn't be
>>>>>> true.
>>>>>> I googled it, and I was right. Here is one link.
>>>>>> http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp
>>>>>> Ben
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco
>>>>>> Brooklyn
>>>>>> <info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Any thoughts out there about microwaves and radiation? Also I've
>>>>>>> seen those
>>>>>>> tests where plants watered with water that was first boiled in a
>>>>>>> microwave
>>>>>>> died. I've avoided microwaves for these reasons.
>>>>>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>>>>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>>>>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, elitalking
>>>>>>> <elitalking at rockbridge.net>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Induction stoves are great.  I learned about them from this list.
>>>>>>>> My wife
>>>>>>>> started out a little skeptical, but is not a believer.  We are
>>>>>>>> moving
>>>>>>>> towards grid tied photovoltaic.  The most efficient cooking is
>>>>>>>> microwave. It
>>>>>>>> heats the water first which is the food.  The ceramic or glass
>>>>>>>> container is
>>>>>>>> heated by conduction from the food.   We do not use plastic.
>>>>>>>> However, some
>>>>>>>> foods like stir fried vegetables, boiled foods or some bread
>>>>>>>> baking do not
>>>>>>>> work in microwave.  Foods that require a lot of boiling or frying
>>>>>>>> go to
>>>>>>>> induction stove top.  Foods that require baking go to Brevell
>>>>>>>> Oven.  This
>>>>>>>> used a typical heat element, but it is smaller than typical oven.
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>> controls are very precise for heating temp and time.  It is big
>>>>>>>> enough for
>>>>>>>> almost all we cook.  The big Thanksgiving Turkey is the only
>>>>>>>> dinner event it
>>>>>>>> could not handle.  However, we discovered that we cut the Turkey
>>>>>>>> up and it
>>>>>>>> is able to cook half the Turkey which is more than enough for our
>>>>>>>> traditionally glutinous meal.  It is the least efficient of three.
>>>>>>>>  However,
>>>>>>>> it's smaller size and superior control makes it far more efficient
>>>>>>>> than the
>>>>>>>> traditional range, gas or electric.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Benjamin Pratt writes:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my case, with a house that I've tried to tighten-up, but which
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> still somewhat leaky--I don't exhaust any of the heat from my gas
>>>>>>>> stove. So it's very efficient--any energy that does not cook the
>>>>>>>> food,
>>>>>>>> helps to heat the house.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My comment:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The inefficient appliance that produces waste heat is only a
>>>>>>>> benefit
>>>>>>>> during the heating season.  In the summer it is an additional
>>>>>>>> liability for
>>>>>>>> comfort or cooling cost of removing that heat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Eli
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> b e n j a m i n p r a t t
>>>>>>
>>>>>> professor art+design
>>>>>> the university of wisconsin stout
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