[Greenbuilding] Microwaved water

John Daglish johndaglish at online.fr
Tue Sep 27 12:02:20 CDT 2011 

Bonjour Michael,

And a thorough well referenced web site from a scientist  at South Bank University,
London all about water.

http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/water/index2.html

Cordialement

-- 
John DAGLISH, B.Arch,1984


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Monday, September 26, 2011, 7:39:11 PM, you wrote / vous ecrirez:

MOB> Hi, Steve--

MOB> There is a teaching of Buddha that seems relevant--

MOB> Do Not Believe in Anything
MOB> Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.

MOB> Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.

MOB> Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.

MOB> Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.

MOB> Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.

MOB> But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.

MOB> I'd say you have the first part of the lesson, and encourage you to consider that last part.

MOB> Best,

MOB> Mike O'Brien

 


MOB> On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:50 AM, natural building wrote:

>> I love it when people (usually with lots of letters after their names) come out with categoric statements like: 'This is NOT true'!
>> 
>> If all those people had been 'right' the world would still be flat and we'd be feeding Thalidomide to pregnant mothers!
>> 
>> History is saturated with accounts of supposedly intelligent people making claims that are later proved to be wrong. We continue to learn. And if there's one thing that History teaches us (if we
>> aren't too clever to learn) it's that what we THINK is an absolute truth, probably isn't.
>> 
>> Hey, CERN has just discovered that neutrinos might travel faster than the speed of light.
>> Damn, another 'absolute' belief going out the window... ! Sorry Albert. Nice try.
>> 
>> In healthy 'disbelief'
>> 
>> Steve Satow
>> 
>> www.naturalbuildingsite.net
>> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
>> 
>> On 2011-09-26, at 8:49 AM, Joe Killian wrote:
>> 
>>>   Having spent 21 total years in school culminating in a PhD program in Atmospheric Physics, let me say that the poisoned water from a microwave story is pure paranoid fancy and you should be
>>> careful what you choose to believe.
>>>   Joe
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 9/26/2011 8:31 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Maybe somebody on this list with a microwave can do the test? Seems like a pretty big deal worth looking into?
>>>> 
>>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>> 
>>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 11:28 AM, natural building <naturalbuilding at shaw.ca> wrote:
>>>> While  I make no claims as to whether the 'microwaved water' story is true or false.
>>>> I do question whether 'Snopes' is the right authority with which to categorically dismiss it!
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Steve Satow
>>>> 
>>>> www.naturalbuildingsite.net
>>>> naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
>>>> 
>>>> On 2011-09-26, at 8:03 AM, Benjamin Pratt wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Gennaro,
>>>>> when I read your message i knew the plant experiment couldn't be true.
>>>>> I googled it, and I was right. Here is one link.
>>>>> http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp
>>>>> Ben
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn
>>>>> <info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Any thoughts out there about microwaves and radiation? Also I've seen those
>>>>>> tests where plants watered with water that was first boiled in a microwave
>>>>>> died. I've avoided microwaves for these reasons.
>>>>>> Gennaro Brooks-Church
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
>>>>>> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
>>>>>> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:23 AM, elitalking <elitalking at rockbridge.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Induction stoves are great.  I learned about them from this list.  My wife
>>>>>>> started out a little skeptical, but is not a believer.  We are moving
>>>>>>> towards grid tied photovoltaic.  The most efficient cooking is microwave. It
>>>>>>> heats the water first which is the food.  The ceramic or glass container is
>>>>>>> heated by conduction from the food.   We do not use plastic.  However, some
>>>>>>> foods like stir fried vegetables, boiled foods or some bread baking do not
>>>>>>> work in microwave.  Foods that require a lot of boiling or frying go to
>>>>>>> induction stove top.  Foods that require baking go to Brevell Oven.  This
>>>>>>> used a typical heat element, but it is smaller than typical oven.  The
>>>>>>> controls are very precise for heating temp and time.  It is big enough for
>>>>>>> almost all we cook.  The big Thanksgiving Turkey is the only dinner event it
>>>>>>> could not handle.  However, we discovered that we cut the Turkey up and it
>>>>>>> is able to cook half the Turkey which is more than enough for our
>>>>>>> traditionally glutinous meal.  It is the least efficient of three.  However,
>>>>>>> it's smaller size and superior control makes it far more efficient than the
>>>>>>> traditional range, gas or electric.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Benjamin Pratt writes:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In my case, with a house that I've tried to tighten-up, but which is
>>>>>>> still somewhat leaky--I don't exhaust any of the heat from my gas
>>>>>>> stove. So it's very efficient--any energy that does not cook the food,
>>>>>>> helps to heat the house.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My comment:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The inefficient appliance that produces waste heat is only a benefit
>>>>>>> during the heating season.  In the summer it is an additional liability for
>>>>>>> comfort or cooling cost of removing that heat.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Eli
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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>>>>> the university of wisconsin stout
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