[Greenbuilding] Old Nuclear Power Plants? RE: Give Me Your Old, Your Tired, Your Stinky and Energy Inefficient....

Richard Garbary richard6 at gmail.com
Sun Aug 12 07:58:10 PDT 2012


The only concession I'll make to tankless electric is if they are
paired (mandated by code) with a reputable (A fine product is
presented here: http://tinyurl.com/2dgem6). At $10,800 per kilowatt
for new nukes, it would be cheaper to install a
http://tinyurl.com/2dgem6 and a 60 gallon storage water heater with
1.5 kilowatt elements (or less. Check out the Ecopeak with 800 watt
lower element) in every home. That would be leveraging our existing
infrastructure, retiring old nukes and give us a longer lead time to
integrate new sustainable technologies.




Some links:
http://tinyurl.com/2dgem6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_new_nuclear_power_plants
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2009/07/15/204378/nuclear-power-plant-cost-bombshell-ontario/
http://www.hydroquebec.com/residential/chauffe-eau-trois-elements/fonctionnement.html
http://www.giantinc.com/english/products/residential/electric.htm
http://flatteningthecurve.wordpress.com/


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On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 10:45 PM, Richard Garbary <richard6 at gmail.com> wrote:
> B.C. Hydro doesn't allow electric tankless. 80% of their hydro come
> from...hydro.
>
> "Note that the draw currently required by electric on-demand heaters
> exceeds the Electric Tariff; so tankless electric systems cannot be
> used by BC Hydro customers until the technology improves."
>
> The object of every electric utility (besides making money) should be
> to encourage averaging of demand over a 24 hour day with minimal
> seasonal fluctuation. We need a pricing paradigm that rewards
> averaging of consumption and penalties for peaks. No peaks,    no
> peakers.
>
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> On Sat, Aug 11, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Nick Pyner <npyner at tig.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
>> [mailto:greenbuilding-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org]On Behalf Of
>> Richard Garbary
>> S
>> I would like to see the hourly charts from a tankless household.
>>
>> The costs associated with coping with demand loads from tankless water
>> heaters is greater than the costs associated with thermal losses from
>> tank type water heaters.
>> ----------------------------
>>
>> I guess it's not hard to work out what the chart would look like - another
>> 15kW, or more, step every time somebody takes a shower. The only way anybody
>> can use a tankless electric heater with a clear conscience is by rigorously
>> promising to use it only with off-peak power, and even then it might be a
>> bit shakey.
>>
>> The current controversy raging around here about power costs, is mostly to
>> do with the infrastructure investment required to meet demand spikes, which
>> has boiled down to poles, wires, and substations.  As part of that, electric
>> tankless has been banned in new construction for some years.
>>
>>
>> Nick Pyner
>>
>> Dee Why   NSW
>>
>>
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