[Greenbuilding] ENERGY STAR Clothes Dryers Program Launch

[Steven Tjiang]

I don't feel guilty either....
I am saying that the purists on this list who tries to guilt me and others
about the use of clothes dryer are not so pure, and should really
reconsider their own wasteful ways.

---- Steve (KZ6LSD)


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Gennaro Brooks-Church - Eco Brooklyn <
info at ecobrooklyn.com> wrote:

> Steve,
> Check out many parts of South America, Central America, Africa and
> Asia to find the people you are talking about. They may not be lucky
> enough to have a cave for shelter or nutritious grubs and roots for
> food so they make do with cardboard for housing and garbage for food.
> Those lucky enough to work may make as much as a couple dollars a day,
> which is their contribution to the cheap and opulent standard of
> living we have gotten used to here in the Northwest.
> You are welcome to feel guilty about this global arrangement, I don't
> mind, but it is important to me people are honest about it.
>
> Gennaro Brooks-Church
> Director, Eco Brooklyn Inc.
> Cell: 1 347 244 3016 USA
> www.EcoBrooklyn.com
> 22 2nd St; Brooklyn, NY 11231
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Steven Tjiang <steve at tjiang.org> wrote:
> > We need more people who live in caves and eat grubs and roots, don't
> bathe
> > or do laundry.  Their carbon footprint would put all of us to shame.  We
> > need the example of the cavemen to shame the righteous on this list.
>  After
> > all, houses and clothes are just "social constructs" and really not all
> that
> > necessary.
> >
> > ---- Steve (KZ6LSD)
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Paul Eldridge
> > <paul.eldridge at ns.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Grace,
> >>
> >> I live in a Maritime climate which means that our local weather is
> >> dominated by rain, fog and high humidity; consequently, line drying can
> be a
> >> challenge at the best of times. And to keep our home from turning into
> one
> >> giant mould box, I run our dehumidifier almost non-stop five months of
> the
> >> year, so I'm not going to rack dry our clothes and further add to the
> >> moisture load.
> >>
> >> I've taken several steps to reduce our home's environmental footprint.
>  As
> >> mentioned, I purchase 100 per cent renewable electricity from Bullfrog
> Power
> >> (wind and low-impact hydro) that covers off 130 per cent of our
> household
> >> needs.  I've also converted our home to electric heat and in the process
> >> eliminated some 5,700 litres a year of fuel oil demand; even so, our
> total
> >> consumption -- space heating, domestic hot water, cooking, major
> appliances
> >> and all plug loads -- is a little over 9,000 kWh/year, and falling.
>  This,
> >> for a 44 year old, 2,500 sq. ft. home in a climate that is colder than
> that
> >> of Buffalo, NY.
> >>
> >> We buy much of our food from local producers, recycle diligently, all of
> >> our clothing is purchased at second-hand shops, even the ThinkPad that
> I'm
> >> typing this on is seven years old and was three years old when I
> acquired
> >> it.  We walk or bike just about everywhere we can and have stopped
> taking
> >> holidays.  Our water consumption varies between 100 and 130 litres a day
> >> (http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo69/HereinHalifax/WaterHistory.jpg).
> We
> >> use so little water that the city replaced our meter thinking it was
> >> defective and have been back twice looking for signs of tampering.  In
> >> addition, the work I do professionally eliminates about 15,000 kWh of
> >> incremental customer load per day, seven days a week -- that's over
> twelve
> >> tonnes of incremental CO2(e) that's eliminated each and every day of the
> >> year.
> >>
> >> So, you'll have to forgive me if I sound a little testy about having to
> >> defend the use of our dryer, but I feel that I've more than carried my
> >> weight.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Paul
> >>
> >>> On 07/22 at 22:46 PM, Paul Eldridge wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> /  I've line dried in the past, but have come to appreciate the
> >>>> convenience
> >>
> >> />>/  of tossing everything into the dryer, twisting a knob and
> pressing a
> >> />>/  button, and it seems that I'm far from alone in this.  And if
> >> someone
> >> />>/  disapproves of my choices or finds my behaviour morally repugnant,
> >> I'm
> >> />>/  OK with that too.
> >> />
> >>>
> >>> I agree that it's convenient.
> >>>
> >>> If our energy prices reflected the actual externalities - incrementally
> >>> depleted resources, added pollution in emissions and PVC-covered wire
> in
> >>> landfills, etc - then I would have no problem with your choice.  You
> >>> would be paying for it.
> >>>
> >>> The problem right now is that we're NOT paying for our choices as we
> >>> should be, and so the feedback loops which influence our behavior are
> >>> weaker and longer than they should be.
> >>>
> >>> When someone puts his used motor oil down the stormwater drain, that's
> >>> convenient, too - so little of the impact comes down on him as an
> >>> individual, while ALL of the benefit accrues to him.
> >>>
> >>> Grace
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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