[Greenbuilding] Abandoned mine turned into a pumped storage system...

[John Salmen]

Really interesting paper (did a very quick read). They seem to have
eliminated storage as a solution lumping it in with what they term
'ancillary' or balancing services which include non-renewable. They talk
about expanding the grid as the primary balancing tool for renewable. What
is most confusing (that I need to reread) is discussion of the collapse of
the energy market with renewable and a subsequent lack of investment in
renewable technology (as it doesn't pay?). It seems that value in this world
is based on only the things we remove from the world permanently (scarcity)
- so we have no concept of how to place value on renewable energy which has
no value as it has no cost?  Wierd paradigm shift
 

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12 Insights on Germany's Energiewende
A briefing paper from the NGO agora-energiewende on the tasks for the
energiewende - German energy revolution,  renewable energy wind + solar +
peak chp et heat stores, variable elec/heat gas/biogas,  And a good
discussion on the need for restructuring the electricity market to finance
ongoing renewables and supporting flexible plant.
http://www.agora-energiewende.de/fileadmin/downloads/publikationen/Agora_12_
Insights_on_Germanys_Energiewende_web.pdf


John Daglish
Paris, France


On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 4:30 AM, Corwyn <corwyn at midcoast.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/23/2013 6:28 PM, John Straube wrote:
>>I too would keep an open mind on this.
>
> They make it sound like this is a problem only with renewable energy, 
> when, in fact, it is a concern with all types of power generation.  
> The down time for solar generators is at most a few day, and usually 
> just a few hours.  A nuclear plant is generally down for months to 
> refuel.  And storage requirements go up based on time required.  Pump 
> storage is reasonable proposition, I think.  The bugaboos are where 
> you get the water and where you put it.  A mine and a slag mountain, 
> and captured water, sound like reasonable choices to me, but I don't know
any details.
>
> Thank You Kindly,
>
> Corwyn
>
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