[Greenbuilding] simple energy-less home
Steve Satow
naturalbuilding at shaw.ca
Wed May 22 22:12:39 CDT 2013
Sacie, I agree with you.
The levity and validity of your earlier comment was clear to me.
In a world over-burdened by crippling debt that holds most people in servitude to the banks, it is very understandable that most people view their world through a monetary lens. While - technically - dollars are not a measure of energy, for the majority of people they offer a useful measurement, particularly when those same people have no idea what a Btu or KW is.
Perhaps we should measure happiness by blood-endorphin levels? :)
Sincerely,
Steve
On 2013-05-22, at 7:44 PM, Sacie Lambertson wrote:
> John, with sincere deep apologies, I did not mean to be flippant or disrespectful regarding your remarks. In fact I nearly added to what I originally wrote how grateful I am you have remained a voice on this forum, because anything you say is relevant, knowledgeable and respected by readers. If I was too light in response, I am sorry. I would never question your authority or professionalism and I truly do appreciate what you say, indeed, I generally consider it the last word in the matter.
>
> It also remains true, regardless of its value as a valid assessment, most folks who consume energy do understand the concept of dollars relative to the amount of energy consumed. And therefore appreciate a reduction of money spent when they, for whatever reason, consume less.
>
> Sacie
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:39 PM, <jfstraube at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am concerned at your tone Sacie. This is not my "take" and you CAN be sure that I am correct. Dollars are not a measure of energy use. And it would seem that on this list of all lists that environmental impact and energy not dollars would be what mattered.
> A lack of numeracy and basic science amongst most of the public is IMO a major obstacle to green building. Measuring energy with dollars is a classic example.
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. 5197417920
> From: Sacie Lambertson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 20:23
> To: Green Building
> Reply To: Green Building
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] simple energy-less home
>
> Interesting take John. While I'm sure you are correct, most people would not possibly understand any other measurement.
>
> Certainly though, point taken. The Kw used on our electrical bill is half the entire bill. And then one has to consider what the kw charge is in each area; we're quite high here out in the country where our coop buys from the big electrical makers.
>
> And then some people do measure happiness in dollars (:
> Sacie
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 6:56 PM, John Straube <jfstraube at uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> Using dollars to measure energy is like measuring happiness with dollars. There is some correlation but quite limited.
> I know of a cottage in Ontario that paid more then 30 per month while it's electrical system was torn out eg. it used zero power during that time.
> Kwh or btu or even joules should be used for measuring energy use.
>
>
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Bell network.
> From: Reuben Deumling
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 18:21
> To: Green Building
> Reply To: Green Building
> Subject: Re: [Greenbuilding] simple energy-less home
>
> Cool. I'd like to see numbers, though. When you have PV on the roof, $240 doesn't mean that much (at least to me).
>
> My family's annual energy bills total $400 of which >half are fixed charges unrelated to usage and I have no PV.
>
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 3:12 PM, Sacie Lambertson <sacie.lambertson at gmail.com> wrote:
> Very simply designed house in Maine uses little energy to operate:
>
> http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/10895176/list?utm_source=Houzz&utm_campaign=u284&utm_medium=email&utm_content=gallery1
>
> Lots of readers' comments follow.
>
> Sacie
>
> _______________________________________________
> Greenbuilding mailing list
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> Greenbuilding at bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Greenbuilding mailing list
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> Greenbuilding at bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Greenbuilding mailing list
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> Greenbuilding at bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org
> _______________________________________________
> Greenbuilding mailing list
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> Greenbuilding at bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> _______________________________________________
> Greenbuilding mailing list
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> Greenbuilding at bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/greenbuilding_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20130522/d91abba4/attachment.html>
More information about the Greenbuilding
mailing list