[Stoves] [biochar-policy] More on briquettes and pellets

[Otto Formo]

Jock,
thanks for highlighting me on Adam Smith and I would like to quote the Olympic Oath:

"In the name of all the competitors I promise that we shall take part in these Olympic Games, respecting and abiding by the rules which govern them, committing ourselves to a sport without doping and without drugs, in the true spirit of sportsmanship, for the glory of sport and the honour of our teams".

This is very much the way I was brought up and belived in for a long time................

To your two questions I would just say:
Yes

To your Swiss Vulcano


> From: Jock Gill [jg45 at me.com]
> Sent: 2010-12-06 14:34:18 MET
> To: Otto Formo [formo-o at online.no]
> Cc: Jock Gill [jg45 at me.com], rongretlarson at comcast.net, biochar-policy at yahoogroups.com, Stanley Richard [rstanley at mind.net], Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> Subject: Re: SV: SV: [Stoves] [biochar-policy] More on briquettes and pellets
> 
> Otto,
> 
> Thanks for the note and the questions.  I will do my best to answer in the inserts below.
> 
> You might enjoy reading the new biography of Adam Smith:  Adam Smith, an Enlightened Life.  It makes it clear that Smith can only be well understood if you take all of his works together, as they were intended to form a whole greater than the sum of the parts.  From this is, it appears that Smith has been hijacked and perverted by the unregulated free market theorists. The Smith they present to justify their narrative is false.
> 
> So let me pose two questions:  Is it better to teach a person how to make a stove or to sell them a stove?  Is it worth promoting independence and self sufficiency?  
> 
> The perverted view of Smith would answer both questions  NO, as this answer will hopefully increased profits - but without regard to any other values or metrics.
> 
> Looks like 10 inches of snow here in the next 24 hours.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jock
> 
> 
> Jock Gill
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> 
> 
> On Dec 6, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Otto Formo wrote:
> 
> > Jock and Ron,
> > 
> > First,
> > you claim this is a Swiss design, from when and how?
> 
> [JPG:  If you Google "Swiss Volcano Stove" you will know as much as I.  I purchased mine at an Army Navy store in Barre, VT for about $12.00 US.]
> 
> 
> > To me it looks very much like the PekoPe from Kampala in a smaller scale.
> > I have made a few Two can stoves myself and find it "good enough" thinking about biochar, but I would never promote it to be used for cooking, unless during emergency and disaster situations as a "First Aid" kit - Swiss Made.............??
> 
> [JPG: I promote iCans, which are NOT Hugh's design, for education.  My hope is that local talent, once they learn stove making basics with tin cans can them produce better and culturally appropriate stoves from local materials that meet local standards and tastes. Who is to judge what is "good enough" for conditions on the ground in 10s of thousands of local conditions and economics?  I do not think values from one place should be imposed on another.]
> 
> 
> > 
> > I also quote from your blogg 17. October 2010:
> > "Hello Jock,
> > As a rule WS [WorldStove] does not do boiling tests. We tune the stoves to local cooking traditions. Not all countries use lids. In Haiti and Niger we used lids, in Sierra Leone and Ghana we did not, in Ethiopia we did not use pots"............................
> > Nataniel
> > 
> > To me you said that you have no knowledge about this issue!??
> 
> [JPG: I know Nat, but not the details of his arrangements with other organizations.  This is quite reasonable and normal. I'd ask Nat for details if yo really need them]
> 
> > 
> > I very much agree with AJH statement about patents and copying others inventions.
> 
> [This is why I have gone the open source route.  It is good to remember that Benj. Franklin, an admirer of Adam Smith's works, chose NOT to patent 1] bifocals; 2] lightening rods; 3] the iron stove he invented.  We really need to get back in touch with the values and views of Smith as developed in ALL of  his writings.  His "Wealth of Nations" was never intended to stand alone. It was seen as part of a four book project on the Science of Man. Unfortunately, Smith died before he could finish the last two books.]
> 
> > There is one thing that money rules, but due to the fact that those "cowards" dont even admit that they have copied someones good ideas, is not only a shame but a disgrace of mankind.
> > I have always been told that boxing is called:
> > "The noble art of selfdefence"
> > In soccer we say,"everything" is allowed as long you go for the ball and not for the man.
> > During my time as an athlet I have tried to stick to these rules and I intend to do so in my future life as well.
> > I know very well that the "business world" is another story, but it seems that those "greedy bastasards" never learn, despite numerous of financial crisis.
> > 
> > Time will show..........
> > 
> > Have a nice day.
> > 
> > Otto
> > 
>