[Stoves] Discovered an interesting 90 pages gtz publication on stoves all over the world

Otto Formo formo-o at online.no
Sun Nov 7 02:10:58 CST 2010


Dear all,
yes it is "nice" to dwell about the past for a while, but its high time to move forward.
Surprisingly nothing about the "Grassburner" Peko in Uganda in those documents from 1996!? 

Just a reminder about the "situation" in Uganda at that time and keep in mind that GTZ was very much involved in the "stove issues" at the refugee camps.
It is a "wonder" how they could "miss" to know about the "Grassburner" TLUD ND system.

Here are some links to You Tube:
The TLUD ND Peko Pe, introduced in Kampala and Adjumani refugee camp in Uganda from 1995-96, utillizing any type of dry biomass from agri- and forest residue and waste.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amaUDK6VyRg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi3Xx7NtTGw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsfuVGBi4fc&feature=related

Let us move forward and do the "best" for the people in need.

Have a nice sunday!

Kindly
Otto

> From: Tom Miles [tmiles at trmiles.com]
> Sent: 2010-11-07 01:04:16 MET
> To: rongretlarson at comcast.net, scda2 at t-online.de, 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' [stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Discovered an interesting 90 pages gtz publication	on	stoves all over the world
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> Ron,
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> It is a good find. I remember studying this document when we were trying to develop an online database of stoves and stove designs. 
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> GTZ has many interesting and useful documents. I don't think we ever put it on the Stoves site. I remember that they were constantly changing their websites so simply linking to documents didn't work very well. 
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> The list started in about 1996. Alex English started the stoves website in about 1997. We took it over a few years later. We still have your early (1996) discussions about making clay or tincanium charcoal making stoves with Alex English, Elsen Karstad and Richard Boyt.  (Tagging the stories with the right links so they can be found is always a challenge.) 
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> A good candidate is from Alex english:
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> The Curvacious Charcoal Making Wood Gas Burning Stove (AE's latest test, Sept 11/97)
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> http://www.bioenergylists.org/content/curvacious-charcoal-making-wood-gas-burning-stove
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> http://www.bioenergylists.org/taxonomy/term/769
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> Searching by Author works:
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> http://www.bioenergylists.org/contributors
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> Tom
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> From: rongretlarson at comcast.net [mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 1:50 PM
> To: scda2 at t-online.de; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Cc: Tom Miles
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Discovered an interesting 90 pages gtz publication on stoves all over the world
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> Chris  (cc list and Tom):
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>    1.  Thanks for forwarding this link (below), which is a new one for me.  There are 2 earlier portions, that can be downloaded as well by changing your "3" below to "1" and "2"  There are many more than 90 pages.  Must be over 5 MB in total.
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>     2.  This is one of the top books on stoves I have ever seen.  Amazingly complete for contents around the world. Many excellent citations - and wonderful photos.
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>     3.  This is to ask Tom Miles if he had previously seen this - and if it is somewhere in his huge list of resources.  I just looked       
>       (example:     http://www.bioenergylists.org/search/node/1995)
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> and couldn't find it.  I am wondering how/why it never made it into the "stoves" list discussions.   (Or maybe it did -  it should have.)  It proves (??) we are not a sufficiently all-inclusive community.
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>     4.  As good as I find it (for 1995),  I don't think there is anything in it of value today to almost anyone on this list.  The "stoves" list started within a year after  this publication - mainly at first talking of charcoal-making stoves.  I cannot find (but I didn't look real closely - hope I am wrong) anything on charcoal-making (top-lit TLUD - or even BLDD), much less the material on Tom's "stoves" list since 2007 (2008?) of TLOD stoves.
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>     5.  So can anyone point me to anything in this (wonderful historical) document that will be of use in working today on improved stoves?   (The need is certainly shown in this book.)
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> Part B.   Chris' website:
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>     1.  I had not been for some time to your website.  You have done some very nice work.  Congratulations.
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>     2.  I have earlier seen "Biocoal" used in Germany in preference to "Biochar".  Can you give a rationale for the German preference for "coal" over "char"  when coupled with "Bio"?
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> Ron
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Adam" <scda2 at ymail.com>
> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Saturday, November 6, 2010 11:24:23 AM
> Subject: [Stoves] Discovered an interesting 90 pages gtz publication on        stoves all over the world
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> Discovered an interesting 90 pages gtz publication on stoves all over
> the world.... ("Stoves Images 1995"):
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> http://www.gtz.de/de/dokumente/en-stove-images3-1995.pdf
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> My MFBO (Multi Fuel Bread Oven) is also mentioned on page 39/166:
> http://biocoal.org/9.html
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> cheers
> Chris ADAM
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