[Stoves] Stoves Digest, Vol 3, Issue 9

[thomas reed]

Dear Tom, Kelpie and All:

I thought the Dome School stove making description was excellent.  Two
things are missing.

A cross section drawing, showing the relationship of the cans and the
various air entries would be easy to follow during assembly and good
training for the scholars in reading mechanical drawings.  It would also be
good for discussing the principles of the TLUD stoves, showing some fuel on
top already turned to charcoal, a (preferably red) flaming pyrolysis section
between finished charcoal and fuel, and the unburned fuel.

Without this, they will have a working stove, but won't be able to construct
other sizes easily.
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When my car burns gasoline it must have an air/fuel ratio of 14.5/1, 14.5
lbs of air for each lb of gasoline.  Less than this leaves unburned CO and
H2; more than this gives NOX emissions and lean misfire.

The exact ratio is not so important for TLUD combustion, fortunately,
because fuel properties vary in moisture content etc.  However, for every 1
lb of air used to pyrolyse the fuel, you need 5 lb of air to burn the gas.
So the ratio of hole sizes between secondary and primary, S/P= 5
approximately.  I am surprised at how few stove makers understand this.

Great stoves aren't they.

TOM REED   THE BIOMASS ENERGY FOUNDATION   WWW.WOODGAS.COM



How to Make the Dome School Biochar Stove
April 23, 2010
By Kelpie Wilson
kelpiew at gmail.com
www.greenyourhead.com.
http://dome-school-biochar.wikispaces.com/

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> Dear Friends
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> I agree with Carolina.
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> The WHO seems to be based on other published works. I have written to
> Jostein asking what he thinks about the sources.
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> Regards
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> Crispin
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> ++++++++++
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> As you notice they mention the work done here in Guatemala by Dr. Kirk
> Smith
> from Berkeley and Dr. Nigel Bruce who is now working for the W.H.O. in
> Geniva in this aspect. Please Dr. Smith mention to me that his publications
> are available in his website.
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> Be fine and have a nice day
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> Carolina Romero
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> Field Project Manager
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> From: frank <frank at compostlab.com>
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> Tom
> Don't know where to start.
> Hach has good test equipment designed for easy use.
>
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> http://www.hach.com/hc/browse.exploded.product.category.catalog/PRODCAT0560/NewLinkLabel=Laboratory+Supply
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> Most important I suggest the students discuss the ways to test biochar
> when looking at plant response.  Its real different than studying a
> fertilizer, water, temperature  or something else the plant really
> needs. Biochar is a secondary response. In some soils it may hold more
> water and if water is the limiting growth factor it will show. Same as
> fertilizer etc.
>
> Holding nutrients (as you state), changes in: void space, density,
> microbial activity (CO2 produced),  hydraulic conductivity,  shrinkage
> of clay etc. These are all important only in situations where they are
> the limiting growth factor.
>
> For the carbon sequestering I use a procedure using a pipe, filled with
> biochar, screw one end cap on tight and the other one turn lose. Heat to
> 450 deg C in a controlled furnace and record the change in weight. The
> carbon left (after ashing at 550 deg. C) will have ~80 percent carbon.
> something like that.
>
> Frank
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> Tom Miles wrote:
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> > We need experiments for high school science students to make and use
> > biochar.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelpie and Christa have provided good instructions for small biochar
> > stoves for students wanting to learn about biochar:
> >
> > How to Make the Dome School Biochar stove, Kelpie wilson
> >
> >
> http://greenyourhead.typepad.com/files/how-to-make-dome-school-biochar-stove.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > Basic Design Principles of the Pyrolytic TLUD Gasifier Stove in 2010
> > Bq Demonstrations, or "How many sausages can you grill in the process
> > of making 30g of biochar? Christa Roth
> >
> >
> http://terrapreta.bioenergylists.org/files/2010%20biochar-bq%20demonstration%20by%20Christa%20Roth.pdf
> >
> >
> >
> > What student projects can demonstrate the ability of biochar to
> > capture nutrients and retain them for plant growth?
> >
> >
> >
> > Nutrient capture: are there simple leaching or column tests where
> > students can filter a known concentration of fertilizer elements
> > through samples of soil with and without biochar and directly measure
> > the concentration in the filtrate using something like a specific ion
> > electrode or conductivity tester e.g. K or nitrates, or heavy metals
> > like  Pb, or Cd?
> >
> >
> >
> > Greenhouse/pot tests: can the students then test the same media with
> > and without biochar in pot tests?
> >
> >
> >
> > A students recently asked if there is a way that she can measure the
> > amount of carbon in biochar that will be available for carbon
> > sequestration. Any examples or ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > T R Miles Technical Consultants, Inc.
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> > www.trmiles.com
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> > www.biochar.bioenergylists.org
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