[Stoves] Vegetable oil or biodiesel?

[Fireside Hearth]

Dear Otto, 

      I think the unfortunate fact that starvation exists has more to do with the sheer greed and the desire of the "rich" to dominate and control should be factored in to this picture much more than the possible use of veg oil as a cleaner fuel, as well as a lack of desire in much of the world today to do for ones self and share with ones neighbor. What kills me is the "rich" aren't happy with the current level of wealth they have attained as they want it all leaving nothing for anyone or anything else. This will eventually kill us all, as we dump thousands of pounds of good food into the land fills daily. It is the "brokenness" of our self centered society which is so short sided and stupid. As an American ( something I am becoming less proud of by the day) I am also sickened by the tone that the "west" is the problem.....but I hear people from all around the globe beginning to sing the tune of "occupy this or that" so it must be that this "group" running the flow of money, food, water, and health care should be the fix it point........remove them and things would improve dramatically for all.

         Were all in this together, lets keep it clean.

             Roger Lehet 

Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:09:20 +0100
From: formo-o at online.no
To: veronicn1 at gmail.com; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Vegetable oil or biodiesel?. 

Dear all,
How can it be possible to think of useing food stuff as fuel in Automobiles, when millions of people are starving and struggeling for food?
To turn vegoil into bio-diesel on top of that, sounds crazy to me.
I Norway we utillize the vegoil for cooking and some restaurants and Take Aways, reuse the waste turned into biofuel, but thats a total different story.
 
I still cant belive that some people on this planet, can use foodstuff to move their vehicle from one point to another. It somehow some kind of lack of common sense and no respect for other people struggle for livlyhood and progress in life.
 
No wonder all the failaire in Durban, when there is such lack of commitment and common sense...............
 
Otto
 
> From: Veronica Nelson [veronicn1 at gmail.com]
> Sent: 2011-12-13 04:50:47 MET
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Vegetable oil or biodiesel?
> 
> Hi Crispin,
> 
> I am writing to you because I have been using veg oil specifically for the
> reason you mention. I don't know who came up with the bio-diesel concept,
> but I say WHY?  This is a waste of time resources and bi-products that one
> must eventually try and find a use for when one can simply use veg oil. I
> have a veg oil conversion in my diesel auto and so it is a hybrid. Gov
> regulation has made it "illegal" to get veg oil from stores w/out
> permission; however alot of the grocery stores with Deli section now have a
> contract with Bio-Diesel mfg facilities that convert the material. I think
> it would be very beneficial to burn veg oil directly. One less process.  I
> went from Corvallis to Northern CA on used veg oil and did not have one
> issue.  I simply filter the veg oil in a large strainer and then there is a
> dual filtering system on the conversion system that Enviofuel installed.
> You can check out their web page. Nate Gunn is the guy who designed my
> system.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Veronica Nelson
> 
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Dear Friends****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Is it environmentally advantageous to use vegetable oil directly as
> > biofuel instead of converting it to biodiesel?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0961953410004836****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > A stove can use either. If it is a biodiesel or bioparaffin (very similar)
> > it will burn in a paraffin stove.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > So far there are not many stoves that can operate on the raw oil. Should
> > there be more?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Regards****
> >
> > Crispin****
> >
> > ** **
> >
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