[Stoves] When to choose fuel saving stoves over briquettes?

[Otto Formo]

Dear all and Richard,
I was told that Nataniel in World Stove manage to get hold of some pellets from Georgia and shipped to Haiti?!
Thats a total different story, here we are talking about a disaster sone and the forestcover on Haiti is close to 2% of its originally.
The need of suitable biomass fuel for households was also in an emergency phase, and still are, I belive............... 

What I also have heard from Haiti, is that Clinton`s "One Cent Solution" briquettes or pucks has not been a success story due to the fact of its low energy content and diffyculty to ignite.
Iam not surprised, because I have allways been wondering how you can add water into a biomass and later sundry it to become an efficient fuel. 
In the cold winters of Norway we can realy FEEL the difference of good and bad firewood, either dry, 10% density or raw, from the heat transfer of the stove.

About Jean`s question: 
This is in AFRICA and costs is not an issue here and the agriwaste are avaiable according to my knowledge of english as my second or even third language.
To Jean`s further question about.....or both?:
I would just say like Paal:
Stoves and fuel are linked together...........
Just like the Mbawula and charcoal in Zambia.

Why give the people of the developing world a "second hand" solution, when it can be "solved permanently"?

Look at the cellphone industry............... 

We are going to Sweden, after our visit to Washington next week, to see a GEK gasifier to be assembled at the University of Uppsdala and find out how it works on pellets.

Otto

> From: Richard Stanley [rstanley at legacyfound.org]
> Sent: 2011-01-06 23:40:06 MET
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves [stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org]
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] When to choose fuel saving stoves over briquettes?
> 
> Jean, 
> Perhaps they could get a donor to import pellets like they attempted in Haiti eh ? 
>  
> Less facetiously, do you mean to say that there is no agricultural residues: leaves, stalks, grasses, straws, fronds fens water based weeds etc, chaff husks etc. available ? As well are you saying that there are no bio-wastes from commercial processing of biomass: viz.,  sawdust, paper, cartonboard. If that is so, then you must be descibing a refugee situation because there could be little chance of sustained habitation otherwise.   
> The needs of one human being in the tropica and at up to say 1500 meters can easily be met by 300 grams of such wastes or combinations of same.. 300 grams is abou one armful of loosely gathered collection of such material at ambient moisture content. Out theirya  Applciations  manual lays out a series of sustainable offtakes ( after soild amendment, tilth and even animal feed requirements are taken into consideration ---according to various land forms and land use patterns, from rural farmland, forest land, dry savannah, to even the urban setting... 
> I would kindly ask where you are intending to set up the briquetting activity..Perhaps we or the hundreds we know of may know of someone who is already there producing briquettes who can train and equip your group. They ill also be best able to tell you whether or not it is feasible, with what resources..
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Richard Stanley
> www.legacyfound.org
> NW Obamaland
> 
> On Jan 6, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Jean Kim Chaix wrote:
> 
> > Hi, stovers.
> > Question: a community in Africa, where woodfuel is in short supply, is considering starting a briquette program. (The area does have access to ag waste for briquette-making.) If cost is not an issue, should the community invest in briquette making technology or try distributing high efficiency cookstoves? Or both?
> > Thanks in advance.
> > 
> > -- 
> > J. Kim Chaix
> > CEO & Founder
> > 
> > Green Spaces NYC
> > 394 Broadway, 5th fl.
> > New York, NY 10013
> > USA
> > (+1) 917.378.8670
> > http://charcoalproject.org
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Stoves mailing list
> > 
> > to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> > Stoves mailing list
> > 
> > to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
> > 
> > for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
> > http://www.bioenergylists.org/
> > Stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> > http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>