[Stoves] WorldStove replies to BioFuelWatyche's latestimprecisereporting of facts.

[Peter Verhaart]

Roger,

I think Ron makes a lot of sense and for you to withdraw from the list 
will cause all of us less waste of time.
 From your comment, do I infer that you believe a certain mass of fuel 
can produce an amount of heat depending on your belief?

Piet

On 28/07/2011 15:43, Fireside Hearth wrote:
> Dear Ron.....
>
>         What I have is 26 years of proven track record without the 
> fancy language, or insults. I have created a stove, maybe by instinct, 
> which works "damn well". I know what "pre" epa stoves did in our area, 
> and what happened when certification came along. I was in the labs at 
> Lopi and Avalon when they met their first certification challenge. It 
> doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what burns dirty or 
> clean, smoke out put is a great indicator.
>         The best parameters I can give you would be what we are doing 
> on a daily basis with this stove. If we burn a 5 lb log rated at 8500 
> btu/lb and a moisture content of approx 8% at a low run we have a burn 
> time of up to 12 hours. During this burn our stove's cook top temps 
> run up to 1150 deg.F. and the internal temps can run up to 1600.deg f. 
> My flue gas temps will stay below 350 deg.f  Yes I wish to get this 
> verified and will during my certification process, what I am going on 
> for the majority of my claims would be crude tests done on my own and 
> also in comparison to what other heat sources do in the same 
> environment. For example I have a gas fireplace in my bedroom with a 
> btu and efficiency rating confirmed in an independent lab. My unit 
> produces a full third more heat in the same room, in far less time. 
> Our ability to chat in foreign jargon might be hindering our ability 
> to get our point well understood, but is seems many folks on this site 
> would rather insult than check it out.
>         If you wish to talk further I can be reached at    
> firesidehearthvashon at hotmail.com     but I think I have had enough of 
> the sort of intelligence,  which seems both rude and blinding, and a 
> waste of my time.
>
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> Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 09:20:40 +0200
> From: rwhongser at web.de
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] WorldStove replies to BioFuelWatyche's 
> latestimprecisereporting of facts.
>
> Dear Roger,
> I had at the point of writing not positively identified you as the 
> person behind "Fireside Hearth". Sorry!
>
> The point that you seem to be missing with your "claims" and "belief" 
> is that a 5 lb extruded log cannot provide 5kW of heat for 14hours. 
> It's plain and simple physically impossible. 200° is relative to the 
> ambient temperature. Unless you're on the S. Pole or on a very high 
> mountain momentarily your ambient temp is highly unlikely around -30 
> --> 45°C. That explains the long burn time. CO is invisible, so your 
> claim "no visible smoke" is relatively meaningless. I don't care if 
> you're advertising, but if you're going to advertise here, you need to 
> do so with meaningful facts. Meaningful facts would be having some 
> sensor-output with concrete numbers(CO, O2, H2O, CO2, etc. in % and 
> some temperatures would be salient). If I seem negative, it's merely 
> because you continue to refuse giving meaningful information and 
> continue to make claims that are relatively meaningless.
>
> That you firmly believe the stoves in Mongolia are pre-EPA technology 
> flies in the face of the data about the stoves in question that 
> Crispin has already provided you.
>
> I wish you well and hope you succeed with your business, but you'll 
> actually find help here if you will answer questions posed by the 
> long-time members of the list who ask you for specifics.
>
> regards,
> Ron
> w
> h
>
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