[Stoves] Patents

Sun Sep 4 06:49:07 CDT 2011

kickstarter.com might be a way to get cash, reasonable livable payment, from
development work... even if publishing for freeware. Cuts out the attorneys
completely, though... it *might* be a way.

MaxT

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 5:30 AM, Fireside Hearth <
firesidehearthvashon at hotmail.com> wrote:

>  So I am just wondering......does the air seem to have sounds in it as if
> patenting an idea which is new, and the product of 26 years of hard work,
> have an overall bad connotation to it?
> For us guys on the street who are not funded through grants, it might just
> be the only way to bring new technologies to light, and I'll tell you it's
> costly and allot of hard work. The patent search alone took 3 months with an
> attorney who is well respected. I am now trying to help people in area's
> where my stove could never be afforded to utilize some of what we and others
> have done. If I were just sweeping chimneys still I might not have the
> ability to share anything, maybe that's why I am trying to reach out.
> ------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 04:28:20 +0300
> From: maxturunen at gmail.com
> To: crispinpigott at gmail.com; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Patents
>
> Here is one method, an attempt, to keep a picture and model concept in it,
> as public freeware for all.
> In this picture there is a copyright clause on the lower right.
> That copyright clause is designed to make patenting impossible, and for the
> object to be usable/exploitable to all.
> In this picture it refers to ideas, and the image itself: it can now be
> used for commercial and non-commercial purposes alike.
>
> To avoid the troublesome small print in facebook, and several other sites,
> about them owning all images and writings posted through them, I have posted
> the image first into a local (physically local, here in Finland) server...
> let it be there for a while... (so that it may start to show up within
> search engines, or be seen by other people as I link it to people/audiences
> that I thought might have been interested about my illustration sketch about
> funky spatial spiral. Only after while of that, I linked to it from more
> popular social media nets, like facebook.
>
> Now the world seems to genuinely have a free to use, modify, change,
> sell... sketchy image representing 'funky spatial spiral'.
>
> But, with same copyright clause.... it might be something else: It might be
> a new pyrolysing stove's blueprints, making and operating instructions.
>
> The legal language may seem short and odd, but it refers to cases where
> people have been dragged to court for using software that was freeware, but
> not specifically directed to them personally as thing to which they
> specifically have a right to use and copy.
>
> To make it more solid against possible evasions of the legal wording, a
> clarification can be added to the end: " ...regardless of their legal
> status" .
>
>
> MaxT
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear Xavier
>
> It is hard to steal an idea these days because of the date-ability of most
> communications. Exception exist, for example two companies are researching
> exactly the same problem.  One finds a solution and a spy reveals it to the
> opposition. They file first. That is a problem
>
> If both arrive at the same solution independently and prepare Papers Patent
> (brevette) it is possible that the income will be shared, as per the Rubic's
> Cube. Rubic had to share income (after many years) with a Japanese parallel
> invention.
>
> You can't patent something you did NOT invent, whatever people tell you.
> Those days are gone.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Xavier Brandao" <xvr.brandao at gmail.com>
> Sender: stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 21:06:57
> To: <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Reply-To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>         <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Patents
>
> Good evening,
> Very interesting discussion, the stovelist is then the perfect anti-patent
> weapon.
> Before internet and the computer, perhaps it was more difficult to prove
> the
> idea existed if someone tried to steal it and patent it. Now, every
> document, every file, every email, is dated. The idea is in no time copied
> onto many different computers and servers, making it unstealable.
> I like that.
> Xavier
>
> P.S : how do you people manage to have a full conversation before I even
> receive the initial message of the topic in my mailbox?
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 16:19:08 -0400
> From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> To: "Stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Patents
> Message-ID: <145101cc69ad$92dbf890$b893e9b0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Dear Stove Inventors
>
>
>
> There is a great description with graphics at
> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392375,00.asp discussing patents and
> the steps involved in getting one. There is a software/electronics related
> discussion about how the companies holding patents use them. It is
> instructive of the risks and benefits.
>
>
>
> It focuses at the end on the implications for the popular Android operating
> system which infringes on at least 10 patents owned by Oracle and
> Microsoft.
>
>
>
> Fortunately stoves don't have software, yet.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Crispin
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Stoves mailing list
>
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
> http://www.bioenergylists.org/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Stoves mailing list
>
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
> http://www.bioenergylists.org/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ Stoves mailing list to Send
> a Message to the list, use the email address
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List
> Settings use the web page
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.orgfor more Biomass Cooking Stoves, News and Information see our web site:
> http://www.bioenergylists.org/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Stoves mailing list
>
> to Send a Message to the list, use the email address
> stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> to UNSUBSCRIBE or Change your List Settings use the web page
>
> http://lists.bioenergylists.org/mailman/listinfo/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org
>
> for more Biomass Cooking Stoves,  News and Information see our web site:
> http://www.bioenergylists.org/
>
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.bioenergylists.org/pipermail/stoves_lists.bioenergylists.org/attachments/20110904/4877b1f8/attachment.html>