[Stoves] Patents

Sat Sep 3 21:30:28 CDT 2011

So I am just wondering......does the air seem to have sounds in it as if patenting an idea which is new, and the product of 26 years of hard work, have an overall bad connotation to it? 
For us guys on the street who are not funded through grants, it might just be the only way to bring new technologies to light, and I'll tell you it's costly and allot of hard work. The patent search alone took 3 months with an attorney who is well respected. I am now trying to help people in area's where my stove could never be afforded to utilize some of what we and others have done. If I were just sweeping chimneys still I might not have the ability to share anything, maybe that's why I am trying to reach out.
Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2011 04:28:20 +0300
From: maxturunen at gmail.com
To: crispinpigott at gmail.com; stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Patents

Here is one method, an attempt, to keep a picture and model concept in it, as public freeware for all.
In this picture there is a copyright clause on the lower right.
That copyright clause is designed to make patenting impossible, and for the object to be usable/exploitable to all.

In this picture it refers to ideas, and the image itself: it can now be used for commercial and non-commercial purposes alike.

To avoid the troublesome small print in facebook, and several other sites, about them owning all images and writings posted through them, I have posted the image first into a local (physically local, here in Finland) server... let it be there for a while... (so that it may start to show up within search engines, or be seen by other people as I link it to people/audiences that I thought might have been interested about my illustration sketch about funky spatial spiral. Only after while of that, I linked to it from more popular social media nets, like facebook.

Now the world seems to genuinely have a free to use, modify, change, sell... sketchy image representing 'funky spatial spiral'.

But, with same copyright clause.... it might be something else: It might be a new pyrolysing stove's blueprints, making and operating instructions.

The legal language may seem short and odd, but it refers to cases where people have been dragged to court for using software that was freeware, but not specifically directed to them personally as thing to which they specifically have a right to use and copy.

To make it more solid against possible evasions of the legal wording, a clarification can be added to the end: " ...regardless of their legal status" . 

MaxT

On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 3:33 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Xavier

It is hard to steal an idea these days because of the date-ability of most communications. Exception exist, for example two companies are researching exactly the same problem.  One finds a solution and a spy reveals it to the opposition. They file first. That is a problem

If both arrive at the same solution independently and prepare Papers Patent (brevette) it is possible that the income will be shared, as per the Rubic's Cube. Rubic had to share income (after many years) with a Japanese parallel invention.

You can't patent something you did NOT invent, whatever people tell you. Those days are gone.

Regards

Crispin

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Subject: Re: [Stoves] Patents

Good evening,

Very interesting discussion, the stovelist is then the perfect anti-patent

weapon.

Before internet and the computer, perhaps it was more difficult to prove the

idea existed if someone tried to steal it and patent it. Now, every

document, every file, every email, is dated. The idea is in no time copied

onto many different computers and servers, making it unstealable.

I like that.

Xavier

P.S : how do you people manage to have a full conversation before I even

receive the initial message of the topic in my mailbox?

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Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2011 16:19:08 -0400

From: "Crispin Pemberton-Pigott" <crispinpigott at gmail.com>

To: "Stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>

Subject: [Stoves] Patents

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Dear Stove Inventors

There is a great description with graphics at

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2392375,00.asp discussing patents and

the steps involved in getting one. There is a software/electronics related

discussion about how the companies holding patents use them. It is

instructive of the risks and benefits.

It focuses at the end on the implications for the popular Android operating

system which infringes on at least 10 patents owned by Oracle and Microsoft.

Fortunately stoves don't have software, yet.

Regards

Crispin

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