[Stoves] Pellet machines was Re: Fabricated Burn Barrel TLUDS

[Paul Anderson]

Stovers,

Rolf sent me two replies about the German pellet machines, but not sent 
to the Stove Listserv (too sensitive about commercial messages).    So I 
am posting the two responses below, that include prices.

Anyone with a commercial reply should write direct to Rolf or to the 
company.    General comments about these and other pelletizeing machines 
can be sent to the Stove Listserv for all of us to discuss.

Paul

Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

> As for the technical questions, Paul:
>
> There are many and bigger pelleting chains on the market. Most use 
> hammer mills to grind the
> biomass down, which is utterly wasteful, here you can separate the 
> grinding from pelletizing.
> But then you need more hoppers,conveyors and space.
>
> These machines were designed for people who look for an integrated 
> device which not only saves space
> (1 m² for the biggest unit, less for the smaller) but also energy.
>
> They use individual freq.drives for every motor, thus you can adjust 
> the speed of each motor (rasping drum, mixer, feeder screw, pellet 
> press )individually so as to adjust it to the different input mats by 
> means of a turn on the poti.
> It is this concept which makes the PM range so versatile.
>
>  Of course you are free to mix different feedstock into the hopper, 
> e.g. add some sawdust to straw (chaff) and it will vastly improve the 
> pellet quality.
>
> The inbuilt water pump can handle lime water to dose some lime to high 
> chlorine mats which makes the pellets less prone to ash melting...
>
> Carpenters, woodworkers, smallholders, you name it- everyone who has 
> ligno-cellulosic waste material of different shapes just drops them 
> into the hopper and watches the pellets come out below. It is that easy!
>
> Corn cobs are just fine,want to mix it with waste paper/cardboard? 
> O.k. no problem.
>
> Garden waste? Shrubs? Bad wood chips with too many fines and escapes? 
> Yes please!
>
> I was very impressed by the 20 mm pellets made out of sander dust, 
> hard like a rock !
>
> What works also great is the fibrous residus of anaerobic fermenters. 
> In the 25mm shape they look just like dog "pellets" but they are quite 
> solid.
> The max humidity is between 20 and 25 %, depending on the material.
>
> More questions welcome
>
> Rolf



On 9/30/2012 4:38 PM, Energies Naturals C.B. wrote:
> Hallo Paul,
>
> the manufacturer is very strict about prices:
>
> There is only one price for all and one retail % for all dealers.
>
> The pm 22 costs EUR 9.000,- ex worx, the PM 44  EUR 20.000,- e.w. and 
> the PM 75 EUR 46.000,-
>
> Please don´ t get me wrong, I didn´t intend to make sales on the 
> forum´ s back.
>
> I came to Ecoworxx because I saw what they build and that it suits 
> perfectly my needs.
>
> The partnership whith them came later. It is for Spain only.
>
> But I believe that many on the list shall find these compact machines 
> extremely versatile and usefull.
>
> Rolf
>
>
>
> Am 30.09.2012 15:55, schrieb Paul Anderson:
>> Rolf,
>>
>> Yes, we would like to know the prices.   This Listserv is not for 
>> commercial purposes, but you can certainly inform us of the prices 
>> here because so many people want to know.   And not all want the USA 
>> prices.   Basic price where manufactured. And I want to know about 
>> getting units in eastern Africa (specifically Uganda).
>>
>> Question:   Wouldn't it make more sense to have the 
>> chopping/shreading/grinding to be done separately from the machine 
>> that does the pelletizing?     That would allow the user to make 
>> appropriate mixtures for the pellets.
>>
>> So I ask:   Can you make and sell the pelletizer unit separately?   
>> Prices please.
>>
>> I like the ability to have different diameters of pellets!!!
>>
>> Finally, where can we see independent reviewer comments about your 
>> machines?    And comparative info with other pelletizers?
>>
>> As we (generic we because there are several efforts) advance with 
>> TLUD stoves in eastern Africa, there could be considerable market for 
>> appropriately priced and reliable pelletizing equipment.   Small 
>> units are fine.   Labor costs are so low, so it is vastly different 
>> from the USA and Europe situations.   Do you have any representation 
>> in Africa?
>>
>> Paul
>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
>> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu  <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>    Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:www.drtlud.com  <http://www.drtlud.com>
>>

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