[Stoves] plant physiology

[Anand Karve]

Dear Alexander Keenan,
the system described by you was developed by my daughter Dr. Priyadarshini
Karve. It was a standard oven-and-retort type of a kiln and its inspiration
came from the kiln developed in Russia by Yuri Yudkevich. The sugarcane
leaves were however not packed tightly in tubes but filled loosely in small
metallic containers and heated in a kiln. This work won for our Institute
the Ashden Award for Sustainable Energy, in the year 2002. In is actually a
very old process. I was told that it was used by renaissance painters to
make the charcoal sticks which they used for making their sketches. The
charcoal sticks were made from pieces of grape vines. However, we have
now shifted to using a TLUD type of a kiln and use an extruder for making
char briquettes. The 3.5 horse power extruder is operated by a diesel
engine, which we run on biogas as its source of energy. One can use any
form of dry agricultural waste in this process, but for commercial purposes
we needed a continuous supply of raw material. Therefore we decided to use
dry leaves of sugarcane, because in our area sugarcane is harvested
continuously for about 5 to 6 months of the year. There is good demand for
the briquettes for household cooking. We have already introduced this
process into East Africa.
Yours
A.D.Karve

On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM, Keenan, Alex <alexander.keenan at kroger.com>wrote:

>  I remember a few years ago reading of a system in INDIA that was taking
> sugar cane waste and packing it tightly in metal tubes. The tubes were then
> placed in a biochar unit and biochar and outgas produced.
>
> The resulting char was mixed with a cheap binding agent I think it was a
> waste flour, starch, etc. and put into a hand press and made into bricks to
> dry. The bricks were then burned in small rocket stoves for cooking.
>
> Very low tech, very low cost. Such a system should work with the grass
> described below since sugarcane is just a type of grass.
>
>
>
> Alexander Keenan
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Lloyd Helferty [mailto:lhelferty at sympatico.ca]
> *Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 4:50 PM
>
> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>  *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] plant physiology
>
>
>
> Michael,
>
>   Wow!  That is just amazing!  I am just so very glad that you have been
> able to take so much wisdom from the "collective body" of knowledge about
> 'sustainable cropping' for bioenergy, biochar and soil sustainability.  (It
> is also wonderful to read about your *focus on soils* -- and Vetiver
> grass [Chrysopogon zizanioides].)
>   I, for one, am completely onside with what you are attempting to do in
> Haiti -- and would be very willing to assist you in whatever way I can to
> help make what you have described a reality ~ for I believe that this
> agro-ecological 'systems approach' [permaculture] would not only be
> relevant to Haiti, but could and *should* also be very relevant to so
> many other places around the world. (Wherever Vetiver grows.)
>  [Note: I have also recently plugged into the global 'Vetiver Network',
> and am learning more about the amazing potential for these grasses to
> become sustainable bioenergy feedstocks.]
>
>  If there is any way that I might be able to assist in helping with the
> development of some of this "portable machinery" (the pyrolitic downdraft
> gasifiers that can run portable generators) for producing electricity and
> other useful products ~ including the harvesting and pellet machines
> themselves...  these are the type of small, integrated systems that I would
> very much wish to support [in terms of testing, training and deployment] ~
> not only in Haiti, but anywhere else around the world where these systems
> may be applicable.  [i.e. the rest of the Caribbean and probably many other
> Small Island Developing States in the Pacific ~ South-East Asia and, in
> fact, probably in many/most other countries of the so-called "Global
> South".]
>
> Regards,
>
>   Lloyd Helferty, Engineering Technologist
>
>   Principal, Biochar Consulting (Canada)
>
>   www.biochar-consulting.ca
>
>   48 Suncrest Blvd, Thornhill, ON, Canada
>
>   905-707-8754
>
>   CELL: 647-886-8754
>
>      Skype: lloyd.helferty
>
>   Steering Committee coordinator
>
>   Canadian Biochar Initiative (CBI)
>
>   President, Co-founder & CBI Liaison, Biochar-Ontario
>
>   National Office, Canadian Carbon Farming Initiative (CCFI)
>
>   Organizing team member, 2013 N/A Biochar Symposium:
>
>     www.carbon-negative.us/symposium
>
>   Member of the Don Watershed Regeneration Council (DWRC)
>
>   Manager, Biochar Offsets Group:
>
>            http://www.linkedin.com/groups?home=&gid=2446475
>
>    Advisory Committee Member, IBI
>
>   http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=1404717
>
>   http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=42237506675
>
>   http://groups.google.com/group/biochar-ontario
>
>   http://www.meetup.com/biocharontario/
>
>   http://www.biocharontario.ca
>
>    www.biochar.ca
>
>
>
> "Producing twice as much food with diminishing resources, without further loss of natural habitats and biodiversity and in a changing climate may be the greatest challenge facing humanity."
>
>    - Lloyd Helferty
>
> On 2013-12-01 12:01 PM, Michael Mahowald wrote:
>
>  Dear All,
>
>
>
> Very good and needed discussion,
>
>
>
> This is the most important thing we are currently looking for at Haiti
> Reconstruction Intl.
>
>
>
> We have discussed and planed using fast growing nitrogen fixing trees in
> hedgerows on mountainsides for trimming and getting fuel wood for cooking
> stoves.  But we now believe their need is greater and with the millions
> that need it we have to use pellets nationwide.
>
> We know the greatest problem in Haiti and most of the world is erosion and
> lack of good top soil especially on hilly terrain. We also know vetiver
> grass is the best plant to not only stop erosion but it can replenish the
> soil with the terraces it makes when planted correctly.
>
> Vetiver has the highest photosynthetic activity of any plant according to
> Dr. Massimo Maffei of the University of Turin Italy.  Other plants may
> produce more tons per acre total weight but contain 50% more moisture.
>  Vetiver hay when dried can produce 70 to 80 tons per hectare of cellulosic
> biomass.
>
> This grass with 3 meter roots can be trimmed twice a year without hurting
> its terrace building ability.  Leaves when dried are turned into fuel
> pellets without any detriment to the plants to stop erosion.  Once the
> terraces are established moisture is retained and gardens can be planted
> behind the vetiver.  Haiti's mountainous terrain needs so much vetiver they
> can produce millions of pounds of pellets a year.
>
> The miraculous TLUD will turn grass into gas that burns clean, (save lives
> of those who cook with it) and leaves the carbon to put back into the soil
> behind the hedgerows to enhance the soil.  This will also clean the
> atmosphere and reverse effects on global warming!
>
> Our goal is to make pellets cheap enough not only for TLUD cook stoves.
>  We feel in order to do this we must perfect pyrolitic downdraft gasifiers
> with low tar levels that can run portable generators.  We need portable
> electricity and machinery where the grass is cut to shred, grind, form into
> pellets and seal them in plastic bags.   These clean bags of pellets can be
> sold in markets by the same street venders who currently sell dirty
> charcoal.  Those who cut trees to make charcoal, can now make a living.
> planting, cutting and making vetiver pellets.
>
> This perfect circle of permaculture design and its byproduct of hedgerows
> that create their own terraces.  These terraces will create humus as they
> collect leaves and debris.  Humus and biochar will hold moisture and
> microorganisms.  Vetiver can also be used for composting, and toilets will
> stop the spread of cholera, hedgerows stopping erosion keep anthrax spores
> buried deep preventing epidemics!   Fruit trees will once again grow on
> mountainsides.  Gardens can be planted and food will grow so bountifully
> they will be exporting it.  Eventually there will be enough vetiver to run
> generators for small towns to process food for export.
>
>
>
> No one man our group can accomplish everything, but I know this is all
> possible with more help.
>
>
>
> I am hoping any of you may want to help us, we need to find universities
> and groups from every organization to chip in.
>
>
>
>
>
> Please join us at HRI website(click on this Haiti Reconstruction
> International <http://haitireconstruction.ning.com/> )
>
> Michael E. Mahowald
>
> President
>
> Haiti Reconstruction International <http://haitireconstruction.ning.com/>
>
> 952-220-6814
>  ------------------------------
>
> From: cookswelljikos
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 17:11:37 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] plant physiology
>
> Dear Bob,
>
> From personal experience most rural Kenyan's I have met are little
> concerned with outsiders expectations of how they should manage their
> natural resources and landscapes. As it is today, a large part woodfuel in
> Kenya (both commercial and domestic) is coming from farm forests or Trust
> land since the Govt. bans on harvesting plantations in the 1990's. (please
> see http://www.inforse.org/Case/Case-Kenya-Afforestation.php3 and
> http://www.acts.or.ke/dmdocuments/Acacia%20Pocketbook%20low%20res.pdf and
> also
> http://worldagroforestry.org/newsroom/media_coverage/agroforestry-can-meet-charcoal-demand-kenya and
> also http://rael.berkeley.edu/bailis_phd  for some recent studies).
>
> Tree's can be planted during the rainy season to minimize need for
> watering and can be grown as alley-crops or fence line windbreaks etc. and
> thus not overly compete for arable land.
>
> My interest in this is from my understanding that by designing,
> manufacturing and selling cookstoves, ovens and kilns that make it easier
> and cheaper for people to burn trees, I have very strong vested interests
> and a responsibility to advocate and encourage positive woodfuel security
> measures. I know not everyone of my customers will be able to take part in
> the ''seed-to-ash'' cycle (please see below), but I am always thrilled when
> the early adapters do. And if we can help subsidize the cost of fuel for
> our customers, they hopefully can use the money saved to buy another model
> of stove from us.
>
> Back to my question of the possible discussion of fuels at the ETHOS
> conference, is this something that is of interest to any of you?
>
> The more I read about ETHOS the more I want to come to learn more! I have
> been sending quite a few stoves to the USA from Nbi. and I would love to
> meet some customers and do some M&E on how our North American clients use
> our jikos.
>
> Thanks and any thoughts, critics and comments any of you have is always
> very instructive to me.
>
> Teddy
>
> *Cookswell Jikos*
> www.cookswell.co.ke
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> -----
>
> On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 6:52 AM, <rbtvl <rbtvl at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> thanks Arnand
>
> I hope to come to Ethos but might be in Tanzania working.
>
> do you have any data on how much fuel you can grow at some maximum
> rate?
>
> My concern is that we can't expect poor rural people to focus their water
> gathering energies and land use on firewood production.  Of course, if they
> can burn dried up corn plants and stuff like that it is all to the good.
> integrating growth of fuel and food is always a good idea.
>
> bob
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anand Karve
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Sent: Fri, Nov 29, 2013 10:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] ETHOS program growing firewood
>
> Dear Bob Lange and Stovers,
>
> I am a plant physiologist. I won't mind attending Ethos Meeting if
> somebody pays me my air fare and local expenses.
>
> The high energy in seeds and tubers that you mention has nothing to do
> with the physical calorific value of these substances. They have a high
> content of digestible matter so that the energy becomes available to you,
> when you eat them. Burning sugar, starch, cellulose or lignin would release
> about the same quantity of energy per unit weight. Because cellulose and
> lignin are not digestible to humans, the straw and stover from crop plants,
> constituting about 60 to 70% of the total biomass, is available to the
> farmer to be used as fuel. It must however be processed to increase its
> energy density to resemble that of wood.
>
> Yours
>
> A.D.Karve
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, <rbtvl <rbtvl at aol.com>> wrote:
>
> I think we should invite a plant physiologist to come to ETHOS to explain
> why  we should not focus on getting people to grow their own fuel.   Plants
> are living things. In the first place they are not very efficient at all in
> catching the energy in sun light.  But what they do catch they put mostly
> into metabolism and reproduction.   Like us animals.  That is why we eat
> seeds.   They are loaded with energy that the plant put there for their
> young to use until the little ones can photosynthesize for themselves.
> Mammals use the mother's milk   Plants use their seeds.  (Some animals, not
> mammals, use eggs for reproduction.  So we eat eggs.)
>
> If you are rural and poor and have a little land and sufficient water, you
> will almost certainly want to grow food itself rather than fire wood.
> no?  Fire wood is very demanding of land area.   You can be clever and
> minimize it. This species that species.    but it is land expensive.
> Because the part of the plant you burn for fuel is not important to the
> plant, except to support its leaves.  so the  plant puts minimal energy
> there.
>
> If growing fuel wood is going to be taken seriously, it should be a
> government task.  Local or national  government.   Centralize it.   Do it
> big and well on land that individual families don't need to grow food
> itself.  do it on land that is difficult to use for other things.  On the
> sides of hills.  someplace useless.  someplace rocky.  Make it a campaign
> in the Global Alliance's "enabling environment".
>
> Funny, but the problem is that people cook so much.   What we need are
> more species of plants and animals that produce parts that we could find
> nourishing and tasty and desirable without cooking at all.   Damn it.   Why
> do we have to heat up food so much?   Maybe soak the food in some liquid
> like fruit juice or spices some natural acid for all day and then serve
> it.   I know cooking has a very significant role in make food culturally
> and physiologically acceptable.   But If only we could find more foods that
> were good for us, culturally and physiologically, but eaten raw.  That
> would be real stove progress.  I personally like to eat almost all
> vegetables raw.   even beans and corn.  I don't know if I am throwing away
> a lot of their nutrition, though.
>
> Bob Lange    Maasai stoves and solar.
>
> <snip>
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Dr. A.D. Karve
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