[Stoves] NY Times article on what fuel poor need.

[Ronal W. Larson]

Rogerio etal

   Brazil is going to be leading the way on biofuels of all types.  In addition to ethanol (from sugar cane?), there are numerous plant species producing oily seeds that can be pressed.   From time to time we have had seed oil proponents on this list.  We have had several for ethanol stoves

   I had in mind also the use of all sorts of liquid fuels that can be produced from pyrolysis - with a biochar co-product, so we can accomplish some CDR (carbon dioxide removal).

   Liquid fuels can burn very cleanly and are nicely controllable.

Ron


On Dec 5, 2013, at 8:51 AM, Rogerio carneiro de miranda <carneirodemiranda at gmail.com> wrote:

> Agreeing with Ron. 
> 
> Liquid biofuels, and specially ethanol can be an alternative cooking and lighting fuel, either produced at large scale or at the community level with micro-distilleries.
> 
> Project Gaia have demonstrated to me an efficient ethanol cookstove and also an ethanol lamp, and I have seeing here ethanol power generators in operation.
> 
> Here in Brazil ethanol produced at farm level can be around US$ 0,50 per liter
> 
> Rogério
> 
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> 2013/12/4 Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
> Nari and list:
> 
>   1.   I write to disagree with your conclusion on fossil fuels.   They are “best” (in several senses, not including being cheaper) mainly because their externality costs are borne by all of society.
> 
>    2.  I was surprised at first to see this view attributed to the NY Times.  This was the view of Bjorne Lomborg who claims not to be a climate skeptic - but sure writes like one.
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>    3.  I do agree that kerosene has many advantages to go with their disadvantages.  A way to move to a majority of advantages is to call for liquid fuels rather than fossil fuels.    These can have a biomass origin, and (especially in rural areas) can also be cheaper.
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> On Dec 4, 2013, at 6:23 PM, nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Hi stovers,
>> 
>> A recent NYT article echoes what we have observed while working with rural poor in India - they need excellent and convenient fuel for cooking and lighting. Sometimes fossil fuels are the best. www.nariphaltan.org/kerosene.pdf 
>> 
>> Here is the NYT article; http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/04/opinion/the-poor-need-cheap-fossil-fuels.html?hp&rref=opinion
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>> Cheers.
>> 
>> Anil
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