[Stoves] Stove ID please - 2-pot stoves - testing needed

[Ranyee Chiang]

Dear Paul and all,

To address the questions about the Global Alliance's role in testing, we are finalizing agreements with several testing centers to support staff and training, equipment, and to provide workshops.  The goal is to have a global network of centers that can provide services to organizations as well as have reliable, independent, and standardized testing results.  Each center's services and activities will be designed to be responsive to the needs of organizations in their region.  As grants are finalized, information will be posted in the Funding Opportunities section of www.cleancookstoves.org.

For developing/refining testing protocols, the Global Alliance is working to establish collaborative but focused efforts to address protocol gaps.  We are working to develop small working groups to do the work needed to have protocols to cover the range of stove and fuel types, and others will have many opportunities to provide feedback on the work.  We are starting with a few areas that have been identified by many as priorities, and as we can, we will expand to address additional gaps.  The goal is to have agreement around a minimal set of protocols and indicators, which will help to standardize the reporting of results.  Monthly updates on Global Alliance Standards and Testing activities, with opportunities for discussion, are posted in the Community section of www.cleancookstoves.org<http://www.cleancookstoves.org>.

Best regards,
Ranyee

From: Paul Anderson [mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu]
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2012 11:07 PM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Cc: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott; Andreatta, Dale A.; Ranyee Chiang
Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove ID please - 2-pot stoves - testing needed

Crispin and Dale and all,

The topic is the 2-pot stove structure (from two commercial suppliers and for other sources).   And NOT the heat creation unit (which may or may not be built into the 2-pot stove structure).

For clarification of this, lets be sure that Dale's wood-fire simulator (natural gas) is considered as equally appropriate as the heat source as would be the Rocket devices or the TLUD devices.

Dale, this would be right up your alley.   Heat transfer.

And this shows how good stove testing could be done by someone who is NOT a testing center.   And Dale should NOT be expected to do this work on his own time (unless he chooses to do so, with approval by his employer who has the equipment.).

Do we (Stover community including all of the GACC Partners and GACC leadership) have a mechanism to get this task accomplished?   Perhaps some Stove Testing Center that gets a considerable chunk of money from GACC could sub-contract Dale (or other appropriate person) to get this job done for a relatively small cost.

By the way, how much financial support is the GACC actually putting into the hands of the Testing Centers?   and with what requirements?    I assume that these are "transparent" transactions already done or soon to be done or at least being planned.

And how can people like us Stovers with this very specific request actually get this testing onto the agenda in general and/or at a specific testing site?   This is certainly "technology neutral" and eligible to be financially supported.

Imagine, if we had good data about these 2-pot "attachments", there could be some very beneficial results ready for anyone to implement.

And are there already results in the hands of Prakti and Envirofit and others that would be useful if known by others?

Paul


Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"

Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu<mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072

Website:  www.drtlud.com<http://www.drtlud.com>
On 12/31/2012 1:16 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
Dear Dean

Thanks for that clarification.

Paul's request for research into stove structures or types of structures is interesting in that stoves are not usually well classed as 'structures' but rather 'models' of some prototypical stove design.

Paul, I am not sure how you would design such research but it surely would have to include a well vetted evaluation method that gave results which could be used to interpret the structure as being the cause an improvement (or not).

Given the 4 major influences: user, fuel, cooking vessel and the stove, it would be worth spending some time to design the experiment which would show that the stove (or structure of the stove) was the contributing variable.

I suspect that Dale Andreatta's wood fire simulator is one approach. If everyone recalls, he performed a number of heat transfer efficiency tests using multiple thermocouples and a standard gas-fuelled fire with a controlled gas flow rate.

Regards
Crispin saying bye-bye to the Old Year





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