[Stoves] FW: ocean acidification - ON THE SIDE

Thu Jul 4 18:22:44 CDT 2013

Crispin,

I never said that the oceans are acidic.
Please read carefully what I have written.
Better yet, read carefully the links I just sent you.

Many thanks.
Paul

On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 6:18 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
crispinpigott at gmail.com> wrote:

> **
> The oceans are not acidic.
>
> This is a material fact.
>
> No stove can reduce 'acidification of the oceans'. The oceans are
> alkaline. Learn ti deal with it.
>
> Your references show that many people are not investigating even the most
> simple facts related to the unending pseudo-scientific opinions emanating
> from even the Lettered.
>
> Get a pH strip and stick it in the ocean. Is it acidic?
>
> End of short, unbearably obtuse alarmist argument.
>
> Crispin
> From BB9900
> ------------------------------
> *From: * Paul Olivier <paul.olivier at esrla.com>
> *Date: *Fri, 5 Jul 2013 06:12:27 +0700
> *To: *Crispin Pemberton-Pigott<crispinpigott at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *Re: FW: [Stoves] ocean acidification - ON THE SIDE
>
> Crispin,
>
> Please do not label everything that you disagree with as rubbish,
> nonsense, or as worthy of ridicule.
> It is hard to conduct a debate when you use such language.
>
> I would like to draw your attention to the following:
> http://www.sightline.org/research/northwest-ocean-acidification/
>
> http://www.sightline.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2012/02/OA-primer1.pdf
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
> http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/Ocean+Acidification
> http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/What+is+Ocean+Acidification%3F
>
> I would like to ask the members of this stove list: why do we go about
> designing stoves? Are we only concerned about poor people in developing
> countries who sit around dirty campfires? Or do we want to design stoves
> that at the same time address important issues such as climate change,
> global warming and ocean acidification?
>
> Thanks.
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 9:34 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Paul****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> That was the most outrageous set of nonsense on oceans and CO2 I have
>> seem. What rubbish. ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The oceans are not acidic.****
>>
>> CO2 absorbed by water turns about 1% into carbonic acid, a fragile
>> composition with a short lifespan.****
>>
>> If the oceans were to absorb many many gigatons of CO2 it would become
>> slightly less alkaline.****
>>
>> It seems that Bittman does not even know the most basic facts about
>> oceans and just attributes everything he sees to ‘AGW’. His writings are
>> not helping the reputation of science. His view are not informing the
>> discussion. His conclusions are worthy of ridicule.****
>>
>> Fish and mollusk populations rise and fall with the food supply. When the
>> PDO changed in 1976 there were also large population shifts. It has shifted
>> again. The shift is 100% natural and has nothing to do with human fuel use.
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Below is the Alaskan temperature chart showing the impact of the 1976 PDO
>> shift – it warmed 1 deg C in a single year. It shifted again in about 2005.
>> A few weeks ago, there were about 1000 low temperature records set in
>> Alaska in 7 days. That is an effect of the PDO.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>> Crispin****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Paul Olivier
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:42 PM
>> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> *Subject:* [Stoves] ocean acidification****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> T*hat CO2, of course, leads to global warming and climate change, as
>> well as what’s called ocean acidification<http://na.oceana.org/en/blog/2010/12/ocean-acidification-the-untold-stories>,
>> which might be thought of as oceanic global warming and is a greater
>> catastrophe than any spill to date. The oceans absorb about 30 percent of
>> the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, creating carbonic acid. Since the
>> start of the industrial revolution we’ve added about 500 billion metric
>> tons of carbon dioxide to the oceans, which are 30 percent more acidic than
>> they were a couple of hundred years ago.*****
>>
>> *This acidification makes it difficult for calcifying organisms — coral,
>> snails and oysters and other mollusks, and more — to build shells and
>> skeletons sturdy enough for them to survive. Many of these are on the
>> bottom of the food chain and, as they begin to die off (we’ve already seen massive
>> oyster declines on the Pacific coast<http://www.commercial-fishing.org/seafood/ocean-acidification-linked-to-pacific-oyster-declines-a641.html>),
>> the effects trickle up. Acidification has already wreaked havoc on coral
>> reefs, on which about 25 percent of all marine life depends. By the end of
>> this century, Safina says, the ocean will begin dissolving coral reefs —
>> unless we make a big change in our fossil-fuel use.*****
>>
>> *
>> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/04/19/whats-worse-than-an-oil-spill/
>> *****
>>
>> *http://oceana.org/en/blog/2010/12/ocean-acidification-the-untold-stories
>> *****
>>
>> We talk a lot about global warming and climate change, and there are some
>> of us who go so far as to deny the role that humans play in making this
>> happen. But a significant amount of the CO2 that humans pump into the
>> atmosphere ends up in our oceans and is destroying them. The science here
>> becomes much harder to deny.****
>>
>> As Bittman explains, we have to make a big change in our fossil fuel use.
>> For many of us on this stove list this means that we should start designing
>> and using stoves that replace fossil fuel gas with syngas. Every meal we
>> cook, even in Europe and the USA, could be fueled with with syngas. And as
>> we cook with syngas, we produce biochar, and the CO2 that is locked away in
>> this biochar does not end up in our oceans.****
>>
>> It is easy to design stoves for poor people in Third World countries. It
>> is a much bigger challenge to design them for use each day in our own
>> kitchens.****
>>
>> Thanks.****
>>
>> Paul Olivier****
>>
>> --
>> Paul A. Olivier PhD
>> 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong
>> Dalat
>> Vietnam
>>
>> Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam)
>> Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam)
>> Skype address: Xpolivier
>> http://www.esrla.com/ ****
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Paul A. Olivier PhD
> 26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong
> Dalat
> Vietnam
>
> Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam)
> Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam)
> Skype address: Xpolivier
> http://www.esrla.com/
>

-- 
Paul A. Olivier PhD
26/5 Phu Dong Thien Vuong
Dalat
Vietnam

Louisiana telephone: 1-337-447-4124 (rings Vietnam)
Mobile: 090-694-1573 (in Vietnam)
Skype address: Xpolivier
http://www.esrla.com/
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