[Stoves] Meat grinder fuels for TLUDs was Re: wheat husk pellets

Thu Jun 13 22:57:15 CDT 2013

The R-value per inch on rice hulls was 3.
And unlike cellulose insulation, if properly installed, they do not settle
over time.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Rice%20Hull%20House/ASTM/114941Report.pdf
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Rice%20Hull%20House/ASTM/astm1.pdf
I even built what was called a Rice Hull House:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22013094/Rice%20Hull%20House/The-Rice-Hull-House2.pdf

Thanks.
Paul

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Kevin <kchisholm at ca.inter.net> wrote:

> **
> Dear Paul
>
> Very interesting!!
>
> Sawdust has an "R-Factor" of about 2 BTU-hr/ft^2- degF-inch. Would you
> recall the R-Factor for Rice Hulls?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paul Olivier <paul.olivier at esrla.com>
> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves<stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:22 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Meat grinder fuels for TLUDs was Re: wheat husk
> pellets
>
>  Tom,
>
> Ten years ago I had worked a Carl Simpson of Riceland in Arkansas on the
> idea of using rice hulls as insulation. We found out that untreated rice
> hulls make an excellent insulation, and unlike cellulose insulation,
> chemicals do not have to be added to rice hulls to make them fire and fungi
> resistant.  Untreated rice hulls passed all ASTM tests for insulation
> materials. Carl told me of piles of rice hulls that had been in place
> outdoors for over 20 years. Rice hulls do not decompose very easily. I do
> not know much about wheat hulls.
>
> Paul Olivier
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 4:39 AM, Tom Miles <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:
>
>>  Fair enough. Wheat byproducts that I have worked with are usually
>> either a granular or powdery meal. I don’t know how much hulls would break
>> down biologically. Proabbly not much since they are used as a bulking agent
>> for compost.  ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Tom****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Legacy Mail
>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 2:18 PM
>>
>> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> *Cc:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Meat grinder fuels for TLUDs was Re: wheat husk
>> pellets****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Tom, Paul,****
>>
>> the problem with running a fiberbound residue through, especially, an
>> augur driven meat mincer type die, is that the process itself tends to
>> shear the very fibers that do the binding. 1" dia x 1 long sausages are
>> about as small as you can go from our experience .****
>>
>> Richard****
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone****
>>
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2013, at 21:07, "Tom Miles" <tmiles at trmiles.com> wrote:****
>>
>>  Paul,****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> The hulls would have to be incorporated into a meal that when dried would
>> form into a ball or pellet shape by using something like a meat grinder. It
>> might be possible to “ret” them with the coffee skins a la Bryant/Legacy.
>> Then you would have something to form. I have always experienced a large
>> quantity of fines with rice husks and straw. You could tie those up by
>> combining them in a meal but you need something fibrous to hold them
>> together.  ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Think of other uses for composted rice husks. I know someone who has made
>> thousands of cubic yards of peat substitute by composting rice husks. So it
>> is clearly possible to biologically “process” the husks to a beneficial
>> form. Once you have composted the hulls why use them as fuel? They could be
>> better as a soil amendment. The composting should generate biological
>> binders that would give you a choice of densification methods. Pressing
>> hulls through a metal die will just wear out the die. Probably not the
>> first choice. I think there is a form of fuel or soil amendment that could
>> be created. Meanwhile keep the day job and perfect your rice husk TLUD **
>> **
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Tom ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> *From:* Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org<stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org>]
>> *On Behalf Of *Paul Olivier
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, June 12, 2013 7:38 PM
>> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Meat grinder fuels for TLUDs was Re: wheat husk
>> pellets****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Tom's explanation still leaves me with a few questions.****
>>
>> Would the rice hull have to be ground into a powder to go through a meat
>> grinder?****
>>
>> It takes a lot of energy and maintenance to grind up rice hulls.****
>>
>> With a conventional pellet machine, rice hulls do not have to be ground
>> up.****
>>
>> What binder would be used with rice hulls?****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> Paul****
>>
>> ****
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 9:08 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
>> wrote:****
>>
>> Stovers,
>>
>> Tom gave a good explanation.   His message is now in the Listserv
>> Archives.   But how can such content be made more available for future
>> readers?****
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Paul S. Anderson, PhD  aka "Dr TLUD"
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu   Skype: paultlud  Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com****
>>
>> On 6/12/2013 4:24 AM, Tom Miles wrote:****
>>
>> Andrew,
>>
>> Good explanation.
>>
>> Think of two methods of forming fuels. One requires high heat and
>> pressure.
>> The other requires water and biological or chemical degradation.
>>
>> Heat, pressure and some moisture (10% MC) are required for densification
>> to
>> pellets, briquettes or fire logs. A dry biomass is finely ground and
>> pressed
>> through a metal die. There are two principal binding mechanisms. In one,
>> cellulose fibers pressed together with heat removes excess water and the
>> fibers are bonded to each other through what is called paper bonding, or
>> hydrogen bonding. It is like wetting two pieces of paper and letting them
>> dry out. They are difficult to pull apart. This is a chemical bond that
>> is a
>> major bonding mechanism for most densification. When you break the pellet
>> or
>> briquette it falls apart rather than snaps.
>>   A second mechanism is lignin plastic flow, as Andrew describes below.
>> The
>> lignin and part of the celluloses actually plasticize and flow. Under high
>> power magnification with a scanning electron microscope a portion of the
>> wood looks like solid plastic with no identifiable fibers. These pellets
>> snap when you break them.
>>
>> Both mechanisms are at play in a densifier. Together these mechanisms
>> make a
>> durable pellet or briquette.  As Andrew points out they require power and
>> an
>> extrusion process like a pellet mill.
>>
>> A third mechanism that is used with mechanical densifiers is adding
>> chemical
>> binders, starches, or even expanding clays. These were employed in the
>> older, low power cubers and briquetters to make animal feed. Molasses
>> based
>> binders were added to help stick hay together in cubes and to add nitrogen
>> (protein) etc. They often added 30% to the cost of the feed. We used
>> sodium
>> hydroxide to hydrolyze straw to make it pliable for making cubes. It had
>> the
>> advantage of making the straw more digestable for the animals. This was
>> fine
>> for using low quality feeds like straw in times of feed shortage but too
>> expensive when feed prices fell.
>>
>> Wet methods of forming fuels are like the method described by Richard
>> Stanley. Using water, chemicals, or biological degradation the biomass is
>> softened and the surface become sticky. You make a pulp, meal, or dough.
>> You
>> can then use a press, like a piston press (a la Bryant), a meat grinder, a
>> roller mill, or a cement mixer (Davis) to form the fuel into balls or
>> bricks. Then you dry it out. The sticking mechanisms include the paper
>> bonding, as described above, and adhesion by any number of sugars,
>> starches,
>> etc. that are activated or released by the process. The dried fuel is not
>> as
>> dense as a pellet or briquette but it is uniform, it stays together, and
>> It
>> burns very well because for the form of the fuel.
>>
>> When we worked with Ben Bryant in the 1970s and 1980s we tried a number of
>> simple wet pulping processes to make building products for both developed
>> and developing countries and fibers for erosion control. Some of his
>> products from this period are still made commercially. In the 1990s Ben
>> introduced me to Richard and how he was applying some of the same wet
>> forming principles to make bricks for fuel (and for growing seedlings).
>> The
>> lesson is to learn and understand how natural fibers and fiber chemistry
>> can
>> be used to an advantage. Sometimes a small percentage of long wet fibers
>> can
>> be used to bind together dry fine particles.
>>
>> Torrefaction. Think of torrefaction as roasting biomass fuel in the
>> absence
>> of air.  Biomass is heated first to dry it, then in the absence of air to
>> 280C. At this temperature it is completely dry and some of the cellulose
>> has
>> converted to gas. You lose about 30% of the weight and 10% of the heating
>> value. The fuel is in the same form that you started with but it is dry
>> and
>> brittle. If you have a densifier then it takes less energy to pelletize
>> it.
>> The pellets store well because they resist moisture. Torrefaction is used
>> primarily for preparing wood fuel for burning with coal in very large
>> utility boilers. There are several torrefaction projects in Europe and a
>> few
>> in North America. A plant in Mississippi has shipped a couple of large
>> barge
>> loads of torrefied wood to customers in Europe.
>>
>> There was a project in Rwanda some years ago that used partial
>> torrefaction
>> to prepare fuel bricks for domestic use.  A professor from the US
>> designed a
>> small torrefier and installed it in a refuse fuel operation run by a
>> women's
>> coop. The torrefied biomass was formed into a brick using a fire log maker
>> like the Shimada machine. A USAID employee we contacted knew of the
>> project
>> but did not know if it was still in operation. I haven't heard of any
>> similar projects at the small scale.
>>
>> I hope that this long-winded explanation helps make these processes clear.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf
>> Of
>> ajheggie at gmail.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 1:01 AM
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Meat grinder fuels for TLUDs was Re: wheat husk
>> pellets
>>
>> [Default] On Wed, 12 Jun 2013 12:53:02 +0700,Paul Olivier
>> <paul.olivier at esrla.com> wrote:****
>>
>> How does lignin soften to become a binding agent using a meat grinder?
>> This would be truly wonderful, if it were true.****
>>
>> It won't with a meat grinder, you will need some sort of binder, like
>> boiled starch or clay.
>>
>> Lignin plastisises under high pressure and heat, the heat is normally
>> derived from the friction of the material passing through the die. At
>> these pressures the cell walls collapse and then the lignin re sets to
>> form a pellet that is denser than the wood it was made from. All these
>> systems use a lot of power and the expensive dies wear.
>>
>> The Shimada press is the one that produces a hexagonal log with a hole
>> down the middle, often blackened on the outside from the heat from the
>> press walls.
>>
>> Similarly rotary die extruders  use pinch rollers to punch small
>> amounts of feed through the holes.
>>
>>
>> Have a look at:
>>
>> http://www.fao.org/docrep/x5738e/x5738e0j.htm
>>
>>
>> AJH
>>
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