[Stoves] Stove Definition

[Kevin]

Dear Erin and Lanny
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Erin Rasmussen 
  To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' 
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 5:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition


  We also use "cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in the insulated basket. 



  # OK... another similar device would be a "solar cooker", perhaps associated with the "retained heat cooker" you refer to above

   


  # ===> More comments below

   

  From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Lanny Henson
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM
  To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition

   

  Kevin, thanks for stirring the pudding.

  I believe we are using “Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens, griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers. 



  # Certainly, these are "valid cooking functions", and there are stoves built to best perform for the different cooking tasks. These would be in different classes of "Cooking stove." clearly, it would not be fair to compare a closed stove cooking a pot of rice and having a stack venting the products of combustion outside the living space, with a grill barbequing or roasting a slab of meat and venting products of combustion into the living space.



  To further categorise stoves, one could include:

  * "natural draft or draft induced by a powered fan" and 

  * "venting into the living space or venting outside teh living space through use of a stack or chimney".



  If you said “cooking appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove” is well known word that translates well.



  # Good point. 



  The word “cooker” would cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in when talking about “stoves”. 



  # I think the word "Cooker" is equivalent to "stove" in England. Perhaps we could re-phrase things a bit as follows: "A Cooking Stove is a fuel consuming device or appliance that cooks food." By this definition, the "Retained Heat Cooker" would indeed be a "cooker." but it would not be a "stove."  Similarily an "electrically powered stove" would not be a stove", but it would be an "electrically powerer cooking appliance." 

  This definition would thus seem to work for teh purposes of the 'Stoves List."



  Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?



  # Good point!! An "appliance" is defined as "an instrument, apparatus, or device for a particular purpose or use " at  http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appliance.  By this definition, it would be a Cooking Stove, similar to a "Three stone fire", in that there is an "apparatus" (the stick, or three stones) and a fire, that will accomplish the desired purpose.



  Lanny

   

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Kevin 

    To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves ; Frank Shields 

    Cc: 'Jim Jetter' ; 'Hugh McLaughlin' ; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' 

    Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:50 PM

    Subject: [Stoves] Stove Definition

     

    Dear List

     

    Just what is a "stove?"

     

    I would suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor stove.'

     

    When we ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common definitions seem to be typified by the one at

     http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove

    " 1a : a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating) "

     

    At http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ , the stated purpose of the site is:

    "Our site is dedicated to helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in developing regions. "

     

    What about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a "stove?"

     

    Would anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"

     

    Best wishes,

     

    Kevin

     


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