[Stoves] Stove Definition

[Kevin]

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: rongretlarson at comcast.net 
  To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves ; Erin Rasmussen ; Lanny Henson 
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 7:16 PM
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition


  ...del...

     But  I am only responding because you were following up with Lanny.  Taking his last line from below        
       "Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?"

      I would answer emphatically "no" (as I think we all would),

  # The people who use a "Three Stone Fire" as a standard for comparing stoves might not be as quick to dismiss the above pig roaster. :-)

   but it should be listed among the better (and rarely used) ways to make charcoal, whch obviously all stoves should do..

  # If a Roasting on a Spit" or a "Three Stone Fire" are rarely used for making charcoal, there is probably a very good reason for it. One good reason is that theyn would want to cook food and not not make char. If these primitive techonologies are "... among the better ways to make charcoal..." how come there aren't many charcoal producers making charcoal with this technology?

     Going further, there probably is lot to be gained (for biochar) also by promoting more "fire walking" as practiced in the South Pacific.  But I digress.

  # I see no merit in promoting firewalking on the stoves list.

     Other "cooker" approaches to advancing biochar?

  # This is the "Stoves List", not the "Biochar Promotion List." The Biochar-Policy List was formed for those and other issues not relatihng directly to cooking stoves.

  Kevin


  Ron 


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  From: "Erin Rasmussen" <erin at trmiles.com>
  To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves" <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
  Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 2:06:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition


  We also use "cooker" when we're talking about retained heat cooking. There's no fire there, so not a 'stove' but the food still does a fine job of cooking away in the insulated basket. 



  Erin 



  From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Lanny Henson
  Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2013 11:24 AM
  To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
  Subject: Re: [Stoves] Stove Definition



  Kevin, thanks for stirring the pudding.

  I believe we are using “Cooking Stoves” as a term that covers all cooking appliances like ovens, griddles, grills, roasters, vat cookers and other types of cookers. 

  If you said “cooking appliance” many people would not know what you were talking about, but “stove” is well known word that translates well.

  The word “cooker” would cover stoves, food cooking appliances, as well as non food, industrial type cookers, so “cooker” may be a good word to toss in when talking about “stoves”. 

  Just to confuse things, would you call a pig on a stick, over a fire a stove?

  Lanny



    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: Kevin 

    To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves ; Frank Shields 

    Cc: 'Jim Jetter' ; 'Hugh McLaughlin' ; 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' 

    Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:50 PM

    Subject: [Stoves] Stove Definition



    Dear List



    Just what is a "stove?"



    I would suggest that it is important that we all know what a "stove" is, when we attempt to determine the difference between a "good stove" and a "poor stove.'



    When we ask Mr. Google, we get more than 7 million hits. However, the most common definitions seem to be typified by the one at

     http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stove

    " 1a : a portable or fixed apparatus that burns fuel or uses electricity to provide heat (as for cooking or heating) "



    At http://stoves.bioenergylists.org/ , the stated purpose of the site is:

    "Our site is dedicated to helping people develop better stoves for cooking with biomass fuels in developing regions. "



    What about accepting the Merriam-Webster definition for a "stove?"



    Would anyone have a better definition for a "stove?"



    Best wishes,



    Kevin




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