[Stoves] In praise of kerosene

Sat May 11 22:23:33 CDT 2013

I think all the stovers should understand that when anything is burned it
produces CO2 irrespective of the fuel. What we are talking about is fixing
CO2 in short time (10-20 years) for recycling which happens when biomass is
used. We should understand that kerosene, petrol, CNG etc are all renewable
but on a much longer time frame (couple of million years).

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dean Still <deankstill at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Although we have tried repeatedly to make a true gasifier (making gas in
> one place that is transported to and burned in a wood gas cooking stove) we
> haven't had great success. It seems easier to me to follow the forced draft
> with auger pellet heating stove approach. This is a well known technology
> and might be relatively easy to change into a cooking stove for folks in
> industrialized countries, I think. The TLUD comes close but doesn't have
> the ease of operation of a forced draft auger type pellet stove.
>
> I'll try to make a prototype model for Stove Camp. I agree that it's much
> better to only burn renewable gas that does not add CO2 to the atmosphere.
> Let's get to work and create the needed solutions.
>
> Best,
>
> Dean
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Paul Olivier <paul.olivier at esrla.com>wrote:
>
>> Anil,
>>
>> I really think that we are coming close to the day when biomass stoves
>> could be installed in modern kitchens. If biomass fuel has a relatively
>> high bulk density, if it is uniform in grain size, if it is below 12% in
>> moisture, (in other word, if it's well prepared), it could be gasified or
>> pryrolized in such a manner that it could produce a gas that could compete
>> with the gas derived from fossil fuels that are now being burned in modern
>> kitchens. It's not enough that we design biomass stoves for poor people. We
>> should be using them ourselves.
>>
>> I say to the entire stove community. Wake up. Design biomass stoves that
>> you would be proud to use in your own kitchens. Do not just worry about the
>> respiratory health of poor people. Think equally about the much bigger
>> picture of the health of our entire planet that profoundly impacts rich and
>> poor alike. Every time we turn on a modern gas appliance, we are
>> contributing to global warming. Let us do all within our power to put an
>> end to this nonsense.
>>
>> Paul Olivier
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:25 AM, nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Erin for your kind words. I do hope our lanstove spreads.
>>>
>>> One of the great lessons of Mahatma Gandhi was that he preached what
>>> he practiced  Thus it will be interesting for all those people
>>> who vehemently oppose lanstove type technology to switch to woodstove
>>> cooking and solar lanterns in their own houses rather than doing it on gas
>>> and electricity ( both produce extensive GHGs).
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> Anil
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Erin Rasmussen <erin at trmiles.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Anil,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your article.
>>>>
>>>> I found that you also have an excellent description of your Lanstove
>>>> here:
>>>> http://www.nariphaltan.org/kerolanstove.pdf
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry that our conversation got so off-track, this is obviously an
>>>> improvement over the wick kerosene lantern that contributes a lot of
>>>> black
>>>> carbon and soot to our atmosphere.
>>>>
>>>> At ETHOS this year, Tammi Bond, who just wrapped up an extensive study
>>>> on
>>>> black carbon, identified improving the wick stove as the single biggest
>>>> impact on black carbon emissions that we could make.
>>>> Tammi's slides are here:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20
>>>> PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf<http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf>
>>>>
>>>> So - improving the lanterns, the lighting, and the stoves are all good
>>>> aims,
>>>> and I'd like to see us do what we can to actually help people in with
>>>> improved light and cooking and other energy needs.
>>>>
>>>> That said, the Chulhas stove is not the best biomass stove we can make.
>>>>  We
>>>> have learned a lot about making good stoves since the Chulha was
>>>> designed,
>>>> and it's time for us to bring those improvements to the many households
>>>> in
>>>> India and around the world that need them.
>>>>
>>>> OK, that said, I'd like to see us get back to making a real difference
>>>> in
>>>> the quality of life of many people around the world.  We don't have
>>>> time to
>>>> waste arguing each other, when we can be developing and improving good
>>>> stoves and bringing those stoves to the people that need them.
>>>>
>>>> Erin Rasmussen
>>>> STOVES LIST ADMIN
>>>> erin at trmiles.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> Nariphaltan
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:52 PM
>>>> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>>> Subject: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene
>>>>
>>>> Some of you maybe interested in reading this article.
>>>> Www.nariphaltan.org/kerosene.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> Anil K Rajvanshi
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>
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