[Stoves] In praise of kerosene

Sat May 11 23:00:08 CDT 2013

Fossil fuels are not renewable in any meaningful sense of the term.

Paul Olivier

On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:23 AM, nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com>wrote:

> I think all the stovers should understand that when anything is burned it
> produces CO2 irrespective of the fuel. What we are talking about is fixing
> CO2 in short time (10-20 years) for recycling which happens when biomass is
> used. We should understand that kerosene, petrol, CNG etc are all renewable
> but on a much longer time frame (couple of million years).
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 8:21 AM, Dean Still <deankstill at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Paul,
>>
>> Although we have tried repeatedly to make a true gasifier (making gas in
>> one place that is transported to and burned in a wood gas cooking stove) we
>> haven't had great success. It seems easier to me to follow the forced draft
>> with auger pellet heating stove approach. This is a well known technology
>> and might be relatively easy to change into a cooking stove for folks in
>> industrialized countries, I think. The TLUD comes close but doesn't have
>> the ease of operation of a forced draft auger type pellet stove.
>>
>> I'll try to make a prototype model for Stove Camp. I agree that it's much
>> better to only burn renewable gas that does not add CO2 to the atmosphere.
>> Let's get to work and create the needed solutions.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dean
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 7:19 PM, Paul Olivier <paul.olivier at esrla.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Anil,
>>>
>>> I really think that we are coming close to the day when biomass stoves
>>> could be installed in modern kitchens. If biomass fuel has a relatively
>>> high bulk density, if it is uniform in grain size, if it is below 12% in
>>> moisture, (in other word, if it's well prepared), it could be gasified or
>>> pryrolized in such a manner that it could produce a gas that could compete
>>> with the gas derived from fossil fuels that are now being burned in modern
>>> kitchens. It's not enough that we design biomass stoves for poor people. We
>>> should be using them ourselves.
>>>
>>> I say to the entire stove community. Wake up. Design biomass stoves that
>>> you would be proud to use in your own kitchens. Do not just worry about the
>>> respiratory health of poor people. Think equally about the much bigger
>>> picture of the health of our entire planet that profoundly impacts rich and
>>> poor alike. Every time we turn on a modern gas appliance, we are
>>> contributing to global warming. Let us do all within our power to put an
>>> end to this nonsense.
>>>
>>> Paul Olivier
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:25 AM, nari phaltan <nariphaltan at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Erin for your kind words. I do hope our lanstove spreads.
>>>>
>>>> One of the great lessons of Mahatma Gandhi was that he preached what
>>>> he practiced  Thus it will be interesting for all those people
>>>> who vehemently oppose lanstove type technology to switch to woodstove
>>>> cooking and solar lanterns in their own houses rather than doing it on gas
>>>> and electricity ( both produce extensive GHGs).
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>>
>>>> Anil
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Erin Rasmussen <erin at trmiles.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Anil,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your article.
>>>>>
>>>>> I found that you also have an excellent description of your Lanstove
>>>>> here:
>>>>> http://www.nariphaltan.org/kerolanstove.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sorry that our conversation got so off-track, this is obviously an
>>>>> improvement over the wick kerosene lantern that contributes a lot of
>>>>> black
>>>>> carbon and soot to our atmosphere.
>>>>>
>>>>> At ETHOS this year, Tammi Bond, who just wrapped up an extensive study
>>>>> on
>>>>> black carbon, identified improving the wick stove as the single biggest
>>>>> impact on black carbon emissions that we could make.
>>>>> Tammi's slides are here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20
>>>>> PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf<http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/ethos/files/ethos2013/Lecture%20Hall/Saturday%20PM/2013%20Ethos%20Keynote.pdf>
>>>>>
>>>>> So - improving the lanterns, the lighting, and the stoves are all good
>>>>> aims,
>>>>> and I'd like to see us do what we can to actually help people in with
>>>>> improved light and cooking and other energy needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, the Chulhas stove is not the best biomass stove we can
>>>>> make.  We
>>>>> have learned a lot about making good stoves since the Chulha was
>>>>> designed,
>>>>> and it's time for us to bring those improvements to the many
>>>>> households in
>>>>> India and around the world that need them.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, that said, I'd like to see us get back to making a real difference
>>>>> in
>>>>> the quality of life of many people around the world.  We don't have
>>>>> time to
>>>>> waste arguing each other, when we can be developing and improving good
>>>>> stoves and bringing those stoves to the people that need them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Erin Rasmussen
>>>>> STOVES LIST ADMIN
>>>>> erin at trmiles.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On
>>>>> Behalf Of
>>>>> Nariphaltan
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2013 9:52 PM
>>>>> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
>>>>> Subject: [Stoves] In praise of kerosene
>>>>>
>>>>> Some of you maybe interested in reading this article.
>>>>> Www.nariphaltan.org/kerosene.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anil K Rajvanshi
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>
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