[Stoves] In praise of kerosene

[Paul Olivier]

See comments below.


On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 7:15 PM, Ray Menke <ray.menke at gmail.com> wrote:

> Paul Olivier,
> Instead of using a perforated cardboard disc soaked in wax, I am using
> thin slices of waste cardboard (4cm X 1 cm) that I cut with sheet
> metal snips.


I also work with strips of cardboard.


> Put a layer of these on top of the biomass, add a few
> drops of alcohol, and ignite with a match.  If I use cereal boxes the
> thickness of business card stock, I crease them before cutting so they
> form "V's and "L's).  Corrugated cardboard is just cut into flat
> strips, but when the mix is ignited, there is very little smoke.


The cardboard does emit smoke - not a lot - but very annoying.


> Ray
> (who doesn't seem to have enough wax..)
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 5:14 AM, Paul Olivier <paul.olivier at esrla.com>
> wrote:
> > AJH,
> >
> > I tried many times to light rice hulls with kerosene.
> > This does not work very well in conjunction with updrafting air.
> > The kerosene fumes generated in this lighting process stink quite a bit.
> >
> > I also tried to light rice hulls with a gas-jet flame.
> > This does not work at all.
> >
> > So I tried cardboard.
> > When cardboard burns above the rice hulls, it initially emits a lot of
> > smoke.
> > After a while, it turns to a sort of charcoal and emits radiant energy.
> > As soon as the cardboard turns red, the rice hulls ignite.
> > When the rice hulls ignite and burn, they emit no visible smoke.
> >
> > All of the smoke in the lighting of the gasifier comes from that initial
> > burning of cardboard.
> > So if we had a device that only generated radiant energy, this should be
> > ideal for lighting rice hulls.
> >
> > The same logic applies to pelleted rice hulls.
> > They light easily as soon as the cardboard turns red.
> > I assume that the same logic would apply to pellets made from other
> types of
> > biomass.
> > Perhaps this assumption is wrong.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.
> > Paul
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 4:32 PM, <ajheggie at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [Default] On Sun, 12 May 2013 10:57:02 +0700,Paul Olivier
> >> <paul.olivier at esrla.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >An electrical coil producing infrared heat would be used to light the
> >> > pellets. The lighting would take place in less than 20 seconds and
> would
> >> > generate very little smoke.
> >>
> >>
> >> I like the idea of a more sophisticated tlud burner for open flame
> >> cooking and I have previously mentioned that with modern electronics
> >> we could develop a proper mechanism for controlling draught and power,
> >> like the ECU on a car does.
> >>
> >> My experience of electric hot air lighters is that the few seconds
> >> that they pyrolyse the wood before it gets above it's autoignition
> >> temperature copious acrid smoke is produced. Using kerosene as a
> >> starter with a match is faster at getting smoke free.
> >>
> >> AJH
> >>
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Paul A. Olivier PhD
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Dalat
Vietnam

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