[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts

Fri Jan 3 11:41:30 CST 2014

Hi Richard,

See you at ETHOS!

I agree that to make progress all approaches/technologies should be tried
and then we see what works in a place. Aprovecho helps with 20 or so
projects a year, all the way from governments thinking about national
projects, to setting up a garage type manufacturer, to teaching folks how
to make best performing earthen free stoves.

I was in Nepal recently and all three approaches go on at the same time.

Abrazos,

Dean

On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:57 AM, Richard Grinnell <richard.grinnell at gmail.com
> wrote:

> All,
>
> This can be a great topic for discussion and I see many points of view
> that are valid and others that are more "romantic" in approach.  I have
> believed that the best approach is mixed between centralized and
> decentralized, depending on the level of technology available, knowledge,
> biomass production potential for fuel, etc.
>
> See you all at ETHOS!
>
> Richard
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>>
>> Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
>> it, and to whom?   Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
>> clarification?
>>
>> In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
>> fewer funds.   Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
>> favor those who can lobby and have the money already.    Because that is
>> not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
>> efforts even in relatively small geographic areas?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>> On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
>> > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there
>> consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message
>> of mass production and distribution by development industry players.
>> >
>> > B
>> >
>> >
>> > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Dear Paal, and all,
>> >>
>> >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards
>> are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.
>> >>
>> >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized
>> production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of
>> the affluent world is for centralized industrial production.   That
>> centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC  and WB and many
>> who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major
>> issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the
>> funding.   And they present very convincing arguments.   (If they could
>> not, they would not be in control of the situation.)
>> >>
>> >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having
>> major impacts.   Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one
>> example.
>> >>
>> >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step
>> forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.
>> >>
>> >> Paul
>> >>
>> >> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> >> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> >> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> >> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>> >>
>> >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
>> >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
>> >>> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate,
>> but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove
>> list I have come to this conclusion.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or
>> decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on
>> the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration
>> the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass
>> fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and
>> agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of
>> different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·         Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·         Use of local resources
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·         Biochar production by cooking.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low
>> income groups all around the worl
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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