[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stoveefforts

[Paal Wendelbo]

Richard Gr.

With ref. to your mail of 10.01, could you please explain the words “others that are more "romantic" approach” in this context. It will be of interest for the further discussion.

Regards Paal W


From: Richard Grinnell 
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 4:57 PM
To: ethos at vrac.iastate.edu 
Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves 
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stoveefforts

All, 

This can be a great topic for discussion and I see many points of view that are valid and others that are more "romantic" in approach.  I have believed that the best approach is mixed between centralized and decentralized, depending on the level of technology available, knowledge, biomass production potential for fuel, etc.  

See you all at ETHOS!

Richard



On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

  Ben,

  Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
  it, and to whom?   Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
  clarification?

  In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
  fewer funds.   Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
  favor those who can lobby and have the money already.    Because that is
  not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
  efforts even in relatively small geographic areas?

  Paul

  Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
  Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
  Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
  Website:  www.drtlud.com

  On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
  > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message of mass production and distribution by development industry players.
  >
  > B
  >
  >
  > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
  >
  >> Dear Paal, and all,
  >>
  >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.
  >>
  >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the affluent world is for centralized industrial production.   That centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC  and WB and many who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the funding.   And they present very convincing arguments.   (If they could not, they would not be in control of the situation.)
  >>
  >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major impacts.   Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one example.
  >>
  >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.
  >>
  >> Paul
  >>
  >> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
  >> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
  >> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
  >> Website:  www.drtlud.com
  >>
  >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
  >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
  >>> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
  >>>
  >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove list I have come to this conclusion.
  >>>>
  >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
  >>>>
  >>>> ·         Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
  >>>>
  >>>> ·         Use of local resources
  >>>>
  >>>> ·         Biochar production by cooking.
  >>>>
  >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all around the worl
  >>>>
  >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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