[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stoveefforts

Otto Formo terra-matricula at hotmail.com
Sat Jan 11 06:18:54 CST 2014 

Dear Paal,
 
I think mr. Grinnell means us, People whom have been staying and living in Africa for more than a decade.....................
Some people think and seriously means, that "Development work" has a glance of some kind of a "romance", linked to a good potion of naivity.
Just like any other "beliver".
 
May be they are correct, but let them be strong in their faith of Centralsation and lets us try to convince others that there are quite a few different paths on the way to succeed.
 
Kindly
 
Otto F.
 
From: paaw at online.no
To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:38:37 +0100
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized	stoveefforts





Richard Gr.
With 
ref. to your mail of 10.01, could you please explain the words “others that are more "romantic" 
approach” in this context. It will be of interest for the further 
discussion.
Regards Paal W


 

From: Richard Grinnell 
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 4:57 PM
To: ethos at vrac.iastate.edu 
Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking 
stoves 
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized 
stoveefforts
 

All, 
 
This can be a great topic for discussion and I see many points of view that 
are valid and others that are more "romantic" in approach.  I have believed 
that the best approach is mixed between centralized and decentralized, depending 
on the level of technology available, knowledge, biomass production potential 
for fuel, etc.  
 
See you all at ETHOS!
 
Richard



On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

Ben,

Please 
  provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
it, and to 
  whom?   Any viable contacts that could be reached for 
  further
clarification?

In general, the decentralized elements are 
  not "organized" and have far
fewer funds.   Much of it is 
  lobbying and money to get decisions that
favor those who can lobby and have 
  the money already.    Because that is
not likely to change, 
  what strategies are possible for decentralized
efforts even in relatively 
  small geographic areas?

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  
  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: 
  paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 
  12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
> Deloitte contractors suggested 
  decentralized for various reasons, there consulting was rejected because the 
  finding did not reinforce the message of mass production and distribution by 
  development industry players.
>
> B
>
>
> On Dec 
  31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> 
  wrote:
>
>> Dear Paal, and all,
>>
>> As much 
  as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked 
  against the success of decentralized efforts.
>>
>> The 
  issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production of 
  stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the affluent world 
  is for centralized industrial production.   That centralized model 
  is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC  and WB and many who feel that the 
  model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the 
  developing world. And they control access to most of the funding.   
  And they present very convincing arguments.   (If they could not, 
  they would not be in control of the situation.)
>>
>> It 
  would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major 
  impacts.   Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one 
  example.
>>
>> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such 
  discussions if others step forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad 
  hoc sub-group.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  
  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> 
  Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype: 
  paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>> On 12/31/2013 10:15 
  AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
>>> 
  On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
>>> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org 
  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Due to health and age it will not 
  be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years working with task and 
  followed the discussion at Stove list I have come to this 
  conclusion.
>>>>
>>>> There has to be a 
  discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized activities regarding 
  fuel and stove production with a view on the enormous unemployment in 
  developing countries. Taken into consideration the high demands of clean 
  combustion, pellets will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning 
  such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production 
  together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a lot of new 
  needed jobs.
>>>>
>>>> 
  ·         Registration of local waste 
  combustible biomass.
>>>>
>>>> 
  ·         Use of local 
  resources
>>>>
>>>> 
  ·         Biochar production by 
  cooking.
>>>>
>>>> That will be the best way for 
  GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all around the 
  worl
>>>>
>>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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