[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion aboutdecentalized stove efforts
Nguelo C
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Wed Jan 15 05:27:43 CST 2014
Hi to all,
Please who can have an e-book about Gasification and gas treatment ?
Thanks to help,
Cheers,
Colince Nguelo
On Friday, January 10, 2014 8:18 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
Dear all,
Although addressed to me, the message from Paal Wendelbo merits
comments from many.
And while in Africa now, my time is very limited for comments.
But I hope we have some consensus or synthesis by the time some of
us are at ETHOS and can discuss this face to face.
I do like Crispin's comments about some middle-ground.
To Paal, perhaps this is a good time for you to prepare some info
about your Uganda project in the 1990s. NOT about the Peko Pe
stove, but about the project/ processes / methods you used to get
5000 stoves made. Aspects of interest include:
1. how you organized or promoted to the tinsmiths to make the PP
stove.
2. What production problems did you need to confront? and how
you solved those problems? (not about stove design).
3. Any issues of materials supply?
4. Were the stove makers cooperative or competitive?
And many more insights. Loose and general thoughts are fine.
Please send to all, and I and others might be assisting when we
see your content better.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 1/9/2014 2:59 AM, Paal Wendelbo wrote:
Dear Paul A
A decentralized stove project has a motto:
1. Environment and health improvement
2. Save the forest
3. Creating jobs.
And start like this at a certain location:
1. Registration of local resources of actual types of fuel and manpower.
2. Public discussion by involved parties. Why changes is needed. Winners and losers?
3. Demonstration of different stoves and different types of fuel.
4. Type of fuel to be used
5. Type of stoves to be used
6. Production of fuel and production of stoves. What can be produced locally?
7. Prices of fuel and prices of stoves. Finance and sales.
A centralized stove project has a motto:
1. Profit for producers of fuel and stoves.
2. Environment and health improvement if possible.
3. Marketing of nice products
4. Subsidizing and loan.
From: Paul Anderson
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 10:32 PM
To: ethos at vrac.iastate.edu ; Discussion of biomass cooking stoves ; ted redelmeier ; David McInturff - Seachar
Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion aboutdecentalized stove efforts
Ranyee,
Thanks for that very open and affirmative reply. The
"and" makes a great difference.
Could you or others at GACC give some outline of what
might be "different types of tailored support" that could
reach those who are active in DEcentalized approaches to
production.
Note from me: It is possible that funding for
decentralized approaches might favor those decentralized
approaches that can somehow work together or be mutually
beneficial.
I would like to suggest that some funding might be made
available that collectively assists cooperating (but not
identical) decentralized efforts to produce (and
disseminate) themicro-gasifier stoves that can perform at acceptable levels on the several criteria for stove approvals (the Tier system). Those interested in this (including discussing what constitutes sufficiently "decentralized" efforts) should gather at some session.
Or ALSO we organize ourselves to meet at some hours to
discuss this. SO, I propose that those interested could
gather RATHER INFORMALLY (but with purpose) promptly after
the Friday evening social/informational gathering.
Usually ends about 9 or 9:30 PM so we could get a little
start on this topic.
I will be there for that initial meeting about support for
decentralized production of TLUD or other micro-gasifier
stoves.
Here on the Listservs we can discuss this. Such as
stoves that have sophisticated parts (like forced air) are
not included in the "decentralized" group. (this can be
discussed) .
Anyone interested in joining me, please make yourself
known.
Because Paal Wendelbo has already told us that he will not
be attending ETHOS, he is encouraged to participate via
email, and have his stove efforts included in the
candidates and examples of decentralized cookstove
efforts. Others in that situation? Or who want to be
producing some design in a decentralized manner?
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 1/8/2014 8:22 AM, Ranyee Chiang wrote:
Interesting topics for further discussion at ETHOS. A good way to frame this discussion may be to think about ways that the different types of efforts can be integrated together, or how they can learn from each other. Certainly from the Global Alliance's point of view, both types of efforts are important and require different types of tailored support. It would be useful to hear some discussion about the specifics of the tailored support that is needed in each case. And overall, I think that a discussion focused "and" not "versus" would be quite interesting. Cheers,
Ranyee
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From: ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu mailto:ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu on behalf of Paul Anderson mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:33 PM
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS - Listserve
Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts Ben, Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
it, and to whom? Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
clarification? In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
fewer funds. Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
favor those who can lobby and have the money already. Because that is
not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
efforts even in relatively small geographic areas? Paul Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
>Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message of mass production and distribution by development industry players. B On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu wrote:
>>Dear Paal, and all, As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts. The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of the affluent world is for centralized industrial production. That centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC and WB and many who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the funding. And they present very convincing arguments. (If they could not, they would not be in control of the situation.) It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having major impacts. Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one example. I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step forward wanting to discuss this informally as an
ad hoc sub-group. Paul Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
>>>On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700, stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
>>>>Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate, but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove list I have come to this conclusion. There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or decentralized activities regarding fuel and stove production with a view on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy forestry and agriculture energy production together collection of waste biomass of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs. · Registration of local waste combustible biomass. · Use of local resources · Biochar production by cooking. That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low income groups all around the worl Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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