[Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove efforts

Wed Jan 15 11:21:19 CST 2014

Hi Michael,

Perhaps experimenters could try other methods than making pellets? A very
light fuel like grass can end up costing a lot to make into pellets. How
about twisting the grasses into rope? Then cut into small sections?

All Best,

Dean

On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:44 AM, Michael Mahowald <memahowald at hotmail.com>wrote:

> Trees are important but fuel for stoves should be from Grass!  I have
> worked in Haiti for 15 years and the erosion is so bad in some areas that
> reforestation projects fail because they cannot keep them watered enough in
> the dry seasons.  The only way to bring back the soil and hold moisture is
> planting vetiver grass.
>
> Grass energy precisely grass pellets are what is needed for tlud stoves
> please look at my website
> to understand what I am talking about.  We want to work with all Tlud
> stoves but the real problem is the fuel!
>  http://haitireconstruction.ning.com/
>
> Our solution fixes many problems as you will see.
>
> Michael E. Mahowald
> President
> Haiti Reconstruction International <http://haitireconstruction.ning.com/>
> 952-220-6814
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:39:36 +0300
> From: cookswelljikos at gmail.com
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] [Ethos] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove
> efforts
>
> Dear Ronal -
>
> Thank you very much for your kind words.
>
> I am very concerned about the woodfuel supply chain, after all, if I make
> improved efficient stoves that make its easier and cheaper for people to
> burn tree's with, it is a wise investment for me to do all I can to help my
> customers grow more trees.
>
> I hope we can encourage more players in the cookstove industry to join us
> in advocating, promoting and being involved in sustainable  woodfuel
> focused forestry projects.
>
> We actually had made a few prototypes of char producing and char using
> stoves a few years ago but discontinued due to low market demand.
>
> Teddy
>
> *Cookswell Jikos*
> www.cookswell.co.ke
> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
> Mobile: +254 700 380 0 09
> Mobile: +254 700 905 913
> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
>
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> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Ronal W. Larson <
> rongretlarson at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Teddy et al:
>
>     I have just visited your web site and was very impressed.  You
> obviously have a big concern about charcoal being produced badly - so thank
> for that.  I like your comments on where/how to manufacture stoves.
>
>    You also look like a great company to manufacture char-making stoves.
>  Is that possibly on the horizon for cookswelljikos?
>
> Ron
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:47 AM, Cookswell Jikos <cookswelljikos at gmail.com&g
> t; wrote:
>
> Dear Richard, Salaams,
>
> I did meet Charles briefly once, but that was many years ago - I do try to
> stay in touch as much as my work schedule allows with as many other stovies
> in Kenya as I can but we are all a busy lot and dont get to see each other
> enough.
>
> In regards to your email above, I have found that at the end of the day,
> whether or not the the stove was made in either of the manufacturing
> systems discussed, it remains one of the last things on a long list of
> reasons why my customers part with their hard earned money to buy a
> Cookswell stove.
> Cheers,
>
> Teddy
>
>
>
> *Cookswell Jikos*
> www.cookswell.co.ke
> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
>  Mobile: +254 700 380 009
> Mobile: +254 700 905 913
> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
>
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> On Sat, Jan 11, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Richard Stanley <rstanley at legacyfound.org
> > wrote:
>
> Habari gani, Teddy,
>  Did you ever hear of Charles Onyando over in Kangemi? He passed away a
> few years ago but was very active with stoves himself and he worked with
> your father for a while in testing and design.
> Richard Stanley
> www.legacyfound.org
> Indani ya nchi ya US, kwa sasa
>
> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:27 AM, Cookswell Jikos wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> This is a very interesting discussion that I have been happily following
> during my travels this last week. I find that di scussions like these help
> to define the complexities of the biomass cookstove sector. I often wonder
> what other non-electric domestic cooking appliances attract such passionate
> players and great thinkers in their respective product lines.
>
> I personally have been lucky enough to have been somewhat involved in both
> ends of this question of centralized and decentralized manufacture of
> cookstoves - my late dad, Dr. Max Kinyanjui, would tell me of how once he
> almost quite the KCJ (Kenya Ceramic Jiko) project when centralized
> production was initially suggested, and thankfully he did not. Today I am
> currently looking into designing flat pack systems for KCJ's and other
> associated sheet metal cut outs ( charcoal making drum kilns, charcoal
> baking ovens etc.) that can be locally assembled by networks of existing
> manufactures; this is mainly to reduce raw material transport and waste
> issues, increase standardization levels, increase customer/stove maker
> interactions and to reduce end user costs.
>
> I feel that one major design achievement to enhance stove dissemination
> (but is perhaps a bit bad business) is to create something that is so
> useful and easy to use, understand and make money off of, to huge range of
> potential customers that replication, sometimes for the better, many times
> for the worse, snowballs the technology into the kitchens of the ones
> needing it most.
>
> To the Cookswell/Kinyanjui family, seeing our inventions and designs being
> copied and sold in many countries by many levels of manufacturers is one of
> the most satisfactory feelings of being good stove makers. We also very
> much hope that more people will also begin to take the time to appreciate
> the value of conducting a holistic manufacturing process that gives due
> consideration to the life cycle analysis of the product(s) in question.
>
> And as we continue exploring not only the stove, but the entire
> ''seed-to-ash'' cycle of household biomass energy, I would just like to
> send a vote of thanks to all those who actively contribute and manage this
> list serve, it is very good stove reading.
>
> Happy new years and all the best to all,
>
> Teddy Kinyanjui
>
> Sustainability Director
>
> *Cookswell Jikos*
> www.cookswell.co.ke
> www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos
> www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com
> Mobile: +254 700 380 009
> Mobile: +254 700 905 913
> P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya
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> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 5:22 PM, Ranyee Chiang <rchiang at cleancookstoves.org
> > wrote:
>
> Interesting topics for further discussion at ETHOS.  A good way to frame
> this discussion may be to think about ways that the different types of
> efforts can be integrated together, or how they can learn from each other.
>  Certainly from the Global Alliance's point of view, both types of efforts
> are important and require different types of tailored support.  It would be
> useful to hear some discussion about the specifics of the tailored support
> that is needed in each case.  And overall, I think that a discussion
> focused &quo t;and" not "versus" would be quite interesting.
>
> Cheers,
> Ranyee
> ________________________________________
> From: ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu <ethos-bounces at vrac.iastate.edu> on
> behalf of Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 3:33 PM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves; ETHOS - Listserve
> Subject: Re: [Ethos] [Stoves] ETHOS Discussion about decentalized stove
> efforts
>
> Ben,
>
> Please provide more info about that suggestion/recommendation. When was
> it, and to whom?   Any viable contacts that could be reached for further
> clarification?
>
> In general, the decentralized elements are not "organized" and have far
> fewer funds.   Much of it is lobbying and money to get decisions that
> favor those who can lobby and have the money already.    Because that is
> not likely to change, what strategies are possible for decentralized
> efforts even in relatively small geographic areas?
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 12/31/2013 8:51 PM, Ben Blevins wrote:
> > Deloitte contractors suggested decentralized for various reasons, there
> consulting was rejected because the finding did not reinforce the message
> of mass production and distribution by development industry players.
> >
> > B
> >
> >
> > On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:34 PM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Paal, and all,
> >>
> >> As much as I can agree with Paal's statements, but I think the cards
> are stacked against the success of decentralized efforts.
> >>
> >> The issue that Paal raises about the need to have decentralized
> production of stoves (and fuels) is a touchy topic because the "model" of
> the affluent world is for centralized industrial production.   That
> centralized model is certainly a cornerstone of the GACC  and WB and many
> who feel that the model of the affluent world will work to resolve major
> issues in the developing world. And they control access to most of the
> funding.   And they present very convincing arguments.   (If they could
> not, they would not be in control of the situation.)
> >>
> >> It would be good to have some examples of decentralized efforts having
> major impacts.   Maybe the spread of the Kenyan ceramic jiko (KCJ) is one
> example.
> >>
> >> I will be at ETHOS and willing for such discussions if others step
> forward wanting to discuss this informally as an ad hoc sub-group.
> >>
> >> Paul
> >>
> >> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> >> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> >> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> >> Website:  www.drtlud.com
> >>
> >> On 12/31/2013 10:15 AM, paaw at online.no wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:12:54 -0700,
> >>> stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Due to health and age it will not be possible for me to participate,
> but after 30 years working with task and followed the discussion at Stove
> list I have come to this conclusion.
> >>>>
> >>>> There has to be a discussion at ETHOS about centralized or
> decentralized activities regarding fuel an d stove production with a view
> on the enormous unemployment in developing countries. Taken into
> consideration the high demands of clean combustion, pellets will be the
> future biomass fuel for simple clean burning such as TLUD ND and FD. Energy
> forestry and agriculture energy production together collection of waste
> biomass of different types will give a lot of new needed jobs.
> >>>>
> >>>> ·         Registration of local waste combustible biomass.
> >>>>
> >>>> ·         Use of local resources
> >>>>
> >>>> ·         Biochar production by cooking.
> >>>>
> >>>> That will be the best way for GACC Stove program to support the low
> income groups all around the worl
> >>>>
> >>>> Best regards Paal Wendelbo paaw at online.no
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