[Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON SOLARCOOKER

Bernhard Müller bs_mueller at gmx.net
Fri May 16 00:23:22 CDT 2014


Otto Forno and stovers,
this Wilson device is a photoshopped fake which is easily to detect: look at the shades which show to different directions. This scam is cruising through the internet for some years already. It’s pure nonsense. 
Paal was a supporter of hay baskets. They are also called insulation baskets, fireless cookers or African microwave. In the solar cooker community, we are all supporting and using them. You cook in the afternoon for just a few minutes and serve the food in the night. A good description of Faustine Odaba is found at http://www.mueller-solartechnik.com/firelesscooker.pdf This paper will also be presented at the convention of Solar Cookers International, July 17-19, 2014 in Sacramento, CA.
Michael N. Trevor, we got good results with paraffin wax.
Bernie

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>   1. Re: Others may know this but it new to me WILSON	SOLARCOOKER
>      (Michael N Trevor)
>   2. Re: Others may know this but it new to me WILSON SOLARCOOKER
>      (Otto Formo)
>   3. Re: Others may know this but it new to me WILSON	SOLARCOOKER
>      (Dean Still)
>   4. solar cooking in time Re: Others may know this but it new to
>      me WILSON SOLARCOOKER (Dr.-Ing. Dieter Seifert)
>   5. Emissions and Climate-Relevant Optical Properties of
>      Pollutants Emitted from a Three-Stone Fire and the
>      Berkeley-Darfur Stove Tested under Laboratory Conditions
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 07:07:59 -0700
> From: "Michael N Trevor" <mtrevor at ntamar.net>
> To: "Discussion of biomass cooking stoves"
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON
> 	SOLARCOOKER
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> Theoretically its still a good idea.  I actually toyed with a similar idea using ?stored?chemical heat in an insulated box to maintain warmth in 
> a incubator box to transport bird eggs.  
> 
> Michael N Trevor
> Marshall Islands
> 
> 
> 
> From: Erin Rasmussen 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:49 AM
> To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves' 
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON SOLARCOOKER
> 
> Unfortunately the Wilson Solar Cooker doesn't actually exist.  That's an image of ladies cooking over a regular 3 stone fire that's been altered with Photoshop to look like they are using a solar cooker.  It fooled me a few years ago.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Erin Rasmussen
> 
> erin at trmiles.com 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of Michael N Trevor
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:39 AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Subject: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON SOLAR COOKER
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> 
> Fresnel lens heat storing solar over   WOW  
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> http://www.wesupportorganic.com/2014/01/newly-invented-off-grid-solar-grill-can-store-energy-and-cook-at-night-without-electricity.html
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> THANK YOU SAI BHASKAR REDDY NAKKA. 
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> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 21:35:04 +0200
> From: Otto Formo <terra-matricula at hotmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON
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> Michael N,
> 
> There are a lot of good ideas out there, but if they are not put into practice or action, what`s the point.....................?
> 
> I was very dissapointed to find out that this was a "scam" and fake in broad daylight.
> 
> Like Paal used to say:
> "What shall you do With a solarcooker, when the sun set and People like to have their warm supper after a long day in the fields?"
> 
> YES, that could have been solved by the Wilson Solar Cooker.
> Now, the only Mr. Wilson, I will remember from the US, is the nighbour to Dennis..........that`s all.........:)
> 
> May be that`s the best way too.
> Otto
> 
> From: mtrevor at ntamar.net
> To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 07:07:59 -0700
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON	SOLARCOOKER
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Theoretically its still a good idea.  I actually toyed with a similar 
> idea using ?stored?chemical heat in an insulated box to maintain warmth in 
> 
> a incubator box to transport bird eggs.  
> 
> Michael N Trevor
> Marshall Islands
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Erin Rasmussen 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:49 AM
> To: 'Discussion of biomass cooking 
> stoves' 
> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON 
> SOLARCOOKER
> 
> 
> 
> Unfortunately 
> the Wilson Solar Cooker doesn't actually exist.  That's an image of ladies 
> cooking over a regular 3 stone fire that's been altered with Photoshop to look 
> like they are using a solar cooker.  It fooled me a few years 
> ago.
> 
> 
> Kind 
> regards,
> Erin 
> Rasmussen
> erin at trmiles.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: 
> Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of 
> Michael N Trevor
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:39 
> AM
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> Subject: 
> [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON SOLAR 
> COOKER
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Fresnel 
> lens heat storing solar over   WOW  
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.wesupportorganic.com/2014/01/newly-invented-off-grid-solar-grill-can-store-energy-and-cook-at-night-without-electricity.html
> 
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> 
> 
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> THANK YOU 
> SAI BHASKAR REDDY NAKKA. 
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> Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 13:41:43 -0700
> From: Dean Still <deankstill at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON
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> Hi All,
> 
> Let's say, as rules of thumb (definition: wrong but tend to work anyway),
> that there are 250 BTUs in a square foot of sunshine per hour.
> 
> There are approximately 8,600 BTU in a pound of wood. Stored solar energy!
> 
> So it takes a solar cooker with about 34 square feet of intercepted
> sunlight to equal the cooking power of one pound of wood burned in one hour.
> 
> The intercepted sunlight would be about 6' by 6'. About 1/3 of the energy
> would cook the food and 2/3 would do other less useful things.
> 
> Give or take: 3,000 BTU would boil 2 gallons of water in about an hour.
> 
> In my experience, solar cookers are great if they are big enough to do the
> cooking task! We used them every summer to cook lunch and dinner for 20
> people and it was really nice to have a no fuss cooker that needed almost
> no tending and did not increase entropy. It was great not to deal with a
> hot fire on summer days. At the Aprovecho farm we used stored solar energy
> in the winter and direct solar energy in the summer for cooking, heating
> water, etc.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Dean
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:07 AM, Michael N Trevor <mtrevor at ntamar.net>wrote:
> 
>>  Theoretically its still a good idea.  I actually toyed with a similar
>> idea using ?stored?chemical heat in an insulated box to maintain warmth in
>> a incubator box to transport bird eggs.
>> 
>> Michael N Trevor
>> Marshall Islands
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  *From:* Erin Rasmussen <erin at trmiles.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 14, 2014 9:49 AM
>> *To:* 'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'<stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON
>> SOLARCOOKER
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately the Wilson Solar Cooker doesn't actually exist.  That's an
>> image of ladies cooking over a regular 3 stone fire that's been altered
>> with Photoshop to look like they are using a solar cooker.  It fooled me a
>> few years ago.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Erin Rasmussen
>> 
>> erin at trmiles.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Michael N Trevor
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 14, 2014 5:39 AM
>> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> *Subject:* [Stoves] Others may know this but it new to me WILSON SOLAR
>> COOKER
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Fresnel lens heat storing solar over   WOW
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.wesupportorganic.com/2014/01/newly-invented-off-grid-solar-grill-can-store-energy-and-cook-at-night-without-electricity.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> THANK YOU SAI BHASKAR REDDY NAKKA.
>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 14:08:01 +0200
> From: "Dr.-Ing. Dieter Seifert" <doseifert at googlemail.com>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> 	<stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] solar cooking in time Re: Others may know this but
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> Dear Otto and list,
> 
> The answer to Paal's question "What shall you do With a solar cooker, when the sun set and People like to have their warm supper
> after a long day in the fields?" is very simple: The meal was prepared in the time when the sun was shining, than the pots
> were transferred to hay boxes/hay baskets and all is ready and warm for eating just when people arrive (described e.g. in the book "Fireless Cookery" Seattle 1981)
> In the case of cooking with firewood instead of that, the meal has to be cooked and people have to wait hungry or they have to collect firewood.
> 
> 
> 
> In 2011 my wife noted the number of days she cooked with our parabolic cooker (Alsol 1.4) with 1.4 m reflector diameter.
> On 157 days she cooked all meals of the day, she baked and made conserves and she did not touch her electric stove in the kitchen,
> because solar cooking in the garden gives more pleasure, needs less attention etc. In regions with scarcity of firewood
> there is regularly more sunshine per year than here in Upper Bavaria.
> 
> I think that traditions (also e.g. that the rice has to taste of smoke 
> etc.) should be abandoned before the last tree disappeared.
> 
> 
> With best wishes
> Dieter
> 
> 
> 
> Am 14.05.2014 21:35, schrieb Otto Formo:
>> Michael N,
>> 
>> There are a lot of good ideas out there, but if they are not put into practice or action, what`s the point.....................?
>> 
>> I was very dissapointed to find out that this was a "scam" and fake in broad daylight.
>> 
>> Like Paal used to say:
>> "What shall you do With a solarcooker, when the sun set and People like to have their warm supper after a long day in the fields?"
>> 
>> YES, that could have been solved by the Wilson Solar Cooker.
>> Now, the only Mr. Wilson, I will remember from the US, is the nighbour to Dennis..........that`s all.........:)
>> 
>> May be that`s the best way too.
>> Otto
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 08:30:54 -0700
> From: "Tom Miles Easystreet" <tmiles at trmiles.com>
> To: "'Discussion of biomass cooking stoves'"
> 	<stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] Emissions and Climate-Relevant Optical Properties of
> 	Pollutants Emitted from a Three-Stone Fire and the	Berkeley-Darfur
> 	Stove Tested under Laboratory Conditions
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> I thought you might be interested in the following content published on the ACS Web Editions Platform:
> 
> Emissions and Climate-Relevant Optical Properties of Pollutants Emitted from a Three-Stone Fire and the Berkeley-Darfur Stove Tested under Laboratory Conditions
> Chelsea V. Preble, Odelle L. Hadley, Ashok J. Gadgil and Thomas W. Kirchstetter
> Environ. Sci. Technol., Article ASAP
> DOI: 10.1021/es5002715
> Publication Date (Web): May 13, 2014
> Copyright ? 2014, American Chemical Society
> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es5002715
> 
> Abstract
> Cooking in the developing world generates pollutants that endanger the health of billions of people and contribute to climate change. This study quantified pollutants emitted when cooking with a three-stone fire (TSF) and the Berkeley-Darfur Stove (BDS), the latter of which encloses the fire to increase fuel efficiency. The stoves were operated at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory testing facility with a narrow range of fuel feed rates to minimize performance variability. Fast (1 Hz) measurements of pollutants enabled discrimination between the stoves? emission profiles and development of woodsmoke-specific calibrations for the aethalometer (black carbon, BC) and DustTrak (fine particles, PM2.5). The BDS used 65 ? 5% (average ?95% confidence interval) of the wood consumed by the TSF and emitted 50 ? 5% of the carbon monoxide emitted by the TSF for an equivalent cooking task, indicating its higher thermal efficiency and a modest improvement in combustion efficiency. The BDS reduced total PM2.5 by 50% but achieved only a 30% reduction in BC emissions. The BDS-emitted particles were, therefore, more sunlight-absorbing: the average single scattering albedo at 532 nm was 0.36 for the BDS and 0.47 for the TSF. Mass emissions of PM2.5 and BC varied more than emissions of CO and wood consumption over all tests, and emissions and wood consumption varied more among TSF than BDS tests. The international community and the Global Alliance for Clean Cookstoves have proposed performance targets for the highest tier of cookstoves that correspond to greater reductions in fuel consumption and PM2.5 emissions of approximately 65% and 95%, respectively, compared to baseline cooking with the TSF. Given the accompanying decrease in BC emissions for stoves that achieve this stretch goal and BC?s extremely high global warming potential, the short-term climate change mitigation from avoided BC emissions could exceed that from avoided CO2 emissions.
> 
> Tom Miles
> T R Miles Technical Consultants Inc.
> tmiles at trmiles.com
> 
> 
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> Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 11:42:15 -0500
> From: Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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> 
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> 
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