[Stoves] Collaborative Stove Design Workshop

[Ronald Hongsermeier]

Dear Jock,
It seems to me that you confuse mitigate and extract. Dean and John seem 
to me to be looking for a marketable way to contribute positive change 
to the renewable side of the things. Your logic seems to me to be 
saying: "If you can't extract, don't do anything!" I think that's at 
least wrong headed even within your logical framework. Also, if you 
allow the neutral side of things onto the playing field there may also 
be a market for the char -- maybe not a market you like, but there's 
more bang for your buck in charcoal and you could also figure in the 
savings on transport costs over against dry-raw biomass.

respectfully,
Ronald von Bayrischradltraumtag


On 21.05.2014 18:33, Jock Gill wrote:
> Dean & John,
>
> The simple fact is that no combustion device will ever remove carbon 
> from the atmosphere.  If a fundamental problem is that there is too 
> much CO2 [carbon] in the atmosphere, then removing carbon from the 
> atmosphere is an essential imperative.
>
> The most direct, simple and proven way to remove carbon from the 
> atmosphere is the pyrolysis of biomass.  Therefore, what we need are 
> heating devices that are based on pyrolysis.  Combustion is both old 
> school and not an answer to the imperative of carbon removal.
>
> For the record, Jerry Whitfield, who designed and manufactured the 
> first working wood pellet stove in 1984, has now developed the designs 
> for a pyrolytic parlor stove.  Unfortunately, at this time, there is 
> no market for the carbon [biochar] that such a stove would create. 
>  Until such time as the imperative of removing carbon from the 
> atmosphere is recognized and valued, perhaps a significant carbon tax, 
> there is no way to commercialize pyrolytic devices in general, much 
> less for residential use.  It may also be required that we reject the 
> old industrial era model of extraction and exploitation and replace it 
> with a model more early akin to regenerative stewardship, with an eye 
> towards a future that could be vibrant, dynamic and abundant.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Regards,
>
> Jock
>
> Jock Gill
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> On May 21, 2014, at 9:59 AM, Dean Still <deankstill at gmail.com 
> <mailto:deankstill at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Dear friends,
>>
>> Renewable energy technology is developing quickly to mitigate global 
>> climate change.  We don't have any time to lose if wood and pellet 
>> heating technology is going to compete amongst the renewable energy 
>> solutions.
>>
>> Pellet stoves and then automated pellet boilers were a huge 
>> technological step forward.  We believe a next step may be 
>> affordable, automated wood stoves to maximize the potential of the 
>> stove and minimize its inefficiencies.
>>
>> That is why we are holding the Collaborative Stove Design Workshop 
>> <http://forgreenheat.blogspot.com/2014/05/collaborative-stove-design-workshop.html> at 
>> Brookhaven National Lab from Nov. 4 - 7.  Building off the very 
>> successful Wood Stove Decathlon, we will test, assess and help 
>> improve up to 6 automated biomass heating stoves, who will be 
>> competing for a modest prize.  Instead of a large event open to the 
>> public, this will be an intensive 4 days for 30 stove professionals 
>> to push the envelope of stove innovation.
>>
>> Aprovecho is building a 'super-clean' biomass heating stove entry 
>> based on cooking stove technology that is more advanced than current 
>> heating stoves.
>>
>> John Ackerly
>> Dean Still
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