[Stoves] FW: On Teddy's idea of providing tree seedlings withones product or service ...

Thu Sep 4 10:56:29 CDT 2014

Hi Richard, Teddy, Gus, Otto et all

Here in The Gambia we too give out seedlings from our own tree nursery -
mainly fruit trees to further enhance food security.

As a team we have recently been involved in an orchard planting /
environmental education project in 4 Primary Schools. One of the schools is
currently being trained as a briquetting team as a pilot.

We found that especially in peri-urban areas many peole have not much tree
planting/caring knowledge so we designed a simple guide - see attached.
Please feel free to use this should you find it helpful - maybe it can be
parked on the stove website to be accessible to all.

Happy planting

Cheers

George from the jungle

and the Greenie team

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Inversiones Falcon <mailto:invfalcones53 at yahoo.com>  

To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
<mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>  

Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: [Stoves] On Teddy's idea of providing tree seedlings withones
product or service ...

Dear Richard, we deliver trees in the rainy season in El Salvador we just
delivered close to 5.000 trees in communities where we delivered stoves in
the past. this was done with the help of my american friend Gary, Paul and
reverend Darrel from Virginia, they come every year to help on the trees
delivery.

see this year pictures.

Best Regard 

Gus

On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 2:19 PM, Richard Stanley
<rstanley at legacyfound.org> wrote:

Hamjambo Mzee Teddy,  

Providing tree seedlings with ones related ( or even unrelated ) product or
service is a very good idea.

If everyone of the stove maker and briquette producers and trianing services
out hter were to offer tree seedlings  along with their product or service,
what an impact it would have !  

I will  suggest it  with the briquette trainers and producers whom we know.

Thanks  

Richard Stanley

www.legacyfound.org <http://www.legacyfound.org/> 

PS. Check out website news for recent raining and demonstration activities
by the Lushoto based  Marietta and Zaugia training team at the Nane Nane
agricultural show in Morogoro Tanzania. And $5 USD to anyone who can fine a
foreign face in the crowd.

On Sep 3, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Cookswell Jikos wrote:

Hi Kirk - good thinking - I personally feel that if people are going to
continue to use woodfuel to cook and heat with in the future, specifically
charcoal and firewood - and even if its just for perhaps the occasional
Sunday BBQ in 2040, let alone everyday, woodfuel should be looked at as one
of many 'green' renewable energy options that compliment each other as
household energy sources.   

I think that biomass cookstove manufacturers should be at the forefront of
investing in better holistic forestry practises and education for so many
reasons; mainly of course as source of fuel for their stoves in future, but
also for all the other positive trickle down ecosystem effects and resources
(timber etc) forests provide us. 

It would even appear, according to this article below that tree's actually
even clean the air on a multi-billion dollar a year basis
(http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/8279/20140728/trees-reduce-air-poll
ution-respiratory-problems.htm)  - to me this opens a fascinating line of
thought for integrating long term urban planning options for cleaner
enviroments, food and fuel production etc. in cities like Nairobi - but
basically it sounds like we all need to plant soooo many more trees! 

So if everyone on this email listserve plants and looks after even just four
$0.25c tree seedlings this year (stoves listserve card carrying members get
free tree seedlings from Cookswell Jikos if you are in Kenya) - I guarantee
you, it'll be one of the best non-direct cookstove investments you can make
for your kids while they tinker with stoves in 2040. 

Cheers

Teddy 

Cookswell Jikos
www.cookswell.co.ke <http://www.cookswell.co.ke/> 

www.facebook.com/CookswellJikos

www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com <http://www.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.com/> 

Mobile: +254 700 380 009 

Mobile: +254 700 905 913

P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, Kenya

Save trees - think twice before printing.

On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:03 PM, kgharris <kgharris at sonic.net> wrote:

Hi all,

I was wondering what happens when all the people whos lives are saved add
their demand on an already stressed environment.  If 10,000 lives are saved
that is 10,000 more mouths to feed and 10,000 more people cutting down
forests.  That's today, 20 years from now it will be even more as the saved
children begin their own families, and in 40 years even more.  I asked a
friend about this and he, being a retired high school teacher, said that the
stoves must be accompanied by education.  Any thought on what education
would be good?

Kirk Harris,

Santa Rosa, CA. USA

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Marc-Antoine Pare <mailto:marcpare0 at gmail.com>  

To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
<mailto:stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>  

Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:57 PM

Subject: [Stoves] health impact?

Hi everyone,

A big confession: having tinkered with stoves for years, I never actually
looked into the numbers of stove health impacts. I'm trying to fix that, and
I hope you can help!

I mean, yes, I can wave my hands about PM and CO and four million deaths!

But how many deaths (or DALYs) do you avert per stove? Or per 10,000 stoves?
Or per 100,000,000?

I thought it would be an easy question to answer, but it's turning out to be
quite tricky to even ballpark.

Here is one interesting source. This is from the very recent webinar on Kirk
Smith's HAPIT tool. 

http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf

This report considers 25,000 households.

If you provide all of those households a rocket stove, you save only 0.75
lives per year.

If you take the GACC's target 100,000,000 households, that would mean

0.75/25000*100000000 = 3,000 lives saved worldwide annually.

What am I missing there? This seems so small.

Some speculation:

Kirk Smith mentions in the HAPIT webinar that even a small amount of PM2.5
is still harmful. Perhaps biomass stoves just don't get the number low
enough?

I think this would fit with the chart in the linked PDF that shows that
stoves only reduce deaths by <5% for indoor air pollution. A few times in
the HAPIT webinar, they mention "a lot of lives are still left on the
table."

This also seems to agree with something I found in Christian L'Orange's
dissertation:

http://digitool.library.colostate.edu///exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4b
GlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf
<http://digitool.library.colostate.edu/exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bG
licmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf> 

Figure 33 shows that Envirofit G3300 stoves only have a 3% (or so) impact on
"Adjusted Relative Risk" (of death)

Please do not worry about hurting my feelings in correcting these numbers.
Am I thinking about this the wrong way around? Have I punched the numbers in
incorrectly? 

Also, I would be very interested to read more good papers on health impacts
for stoves. It is all really quite interesting work. I feel bad that I
didn't look at it sooner.

Best,

Marc Paré

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