[Stoves] FW: On Teddy's idea of providing tree seedlings withones product or service ...

Thu Sep 4 13:37:51 CDT 2014

Thanks for the practical tree planting guide, George.

Seedlings are mostly planted just before the rains start, just like any other Crop, but due to climate change or whatever, nature has it own ways to plan for both rains and drought.

Handeling out fruit trees is a different story and People tend to look after them more carefully.

In rural areas, we also face the problems with uncontrolled bushfires and overgrown grass, which has to be cut to prevent the seedling to be outpowered by the grass or burned by the fire.
This can be done by clearing fire brakes, around and within the "plantation", so there are a lot to be done to maintain these areas.

We used prisoners for these tasks and fed them well, because this is hard work and partly dangerous work.
A viper can easily hide in the tall grass.
Still, they where allmost fighting to be part of our team to clear the bush..................

To realy succeed, you need commited People, whom can sustain themselves and be eager to work on long term bases.

Good luck in your tree planting operation.

Otto

From: "George Riegg Gambia "@nmmx1.nsc.no
To: stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 08:56:29 -0700
Subject: [Stoves] FW: On Teddy's idea of providing tree seedlings	withones	product or service ...

 Hi Richard, Teddy, Gus, Otto et all Here in The Gambia we too give out seedlings from our own tree nursery - mainly fruit trees to further enhance food security.As a team we have recently been involved in an orchard planting / environmental education project in 4 Primary Schools. One of the schools is currently being trained as a briquetting team as a pilot.We found that especially in peri-urban areas many peole have not much tree planting/caring knowledge so we designed a simple guide - see attached. Please feel free to use this should you find it helpful - maybe it can be parked on the stove website to be accessible to all. Happy planting Cheers George from the jungleand the Greenie team ----- Original Message ----- From: Inversiones Falcon To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 2:41 PMSubject: Re: [Stoves] On Teddy's idea of providing tree seedlings withones product or service ... Dear Richard, we deliver trees in the rainy season in El Salvador we just delivered close to 5.000 trees in communities where we delivered stoves in the past. this was done with the help of my american friend Gary, Paul and reverend Darrel from Virginia, they come every year to help on the trees delivery.see this year pictures. Best Regard  Gus On Wednesday, September 3, 2014 2:19 PM, Richard Stanley <rstanley at legacyfound.org> wrote: Hamjambo Mzee Teddy,   Providing tree seedlings with ones related ( or even unrelated ) product or service is a very good idea.If everyone of the stove maker and briquette producers and trianing services out hter were to offer tree seedlings  along with their product or service, what an impact it would have !   I will  suggest it  with the briquette trainers and producers whom we know.   Thanks  Richard Stanleywww.legacyfound.org PS. Check out website news for recent raining and demonstration activities by the Lushoto based  Marietta and Zaugia training team at the Nane Nane agricultural show in Morogoro Tanzania. And $5 USD to anyone who can fine a foreign face in the crowd.  On Sep 3, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Cookswell Jikos wrote: Hi Kirk - good thinking - I personally feel that if people are going to continue to use woodfuel to cook and heat with in the future, specifically charcoal and firewood - and even if its just for perhaps the occasional Sunday BBQ in 2040, let alone everyday, woodfuel should be looked at as one of many 'green' renewable energy options that compliment each other as household energy sources.    I think that biomass cookstove manufacturers should be at the forefront of investing in better holistic forestry practises and education for so many reasons; mainly of course as source of fuel for their stoves in future, but also for all the other positive trickle down ecosystem effects and resources (timber etc) forests provide us.  It would even appear, according to this article below that tree's actually even clean the air on a multi-billion dollar a year basis (http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/8279/20140728/trees-reduce-air-pollution-respiratory-problems.htm)  - to me this opens a fascinating line of thought for integrating long term urban planning options for cleaner enviroments, food and fuel production etc. in cities like Nairobi - but basically it sounds like we all need to plant soooo many more trees!  So if everyone on this email listserve plants and looks after even just four $0.25c tree seedlings this year (stoves listserve card carrying members get free tree seedlings from Cookswell Jikos if you are in Kenya) - I guarantee you, it'll be one of the best non-direct cookstove investments you can make for your kids while they tinker with stoves in 2040.  Cheers
Teddy  Cookswell Jikos
www.cookswell.co.kewww.facebook.com/CookswellJikoswww.kenyacharcoal.blogspot.comMobile: +254 700 380 009 Mobile: +254 700 905 913P.O. Box 1433, Nairobi 00606, KenyaSave trees - think twice before printing.  

 On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 9:03 PM, kgharris <kgharris at sonic.net> wrote:Hi all, I was wondering what happens when all the people whos lives are saved add their demand on an already stressed environment.  If 10,000 lives are saved that is 10,000 more mouths to feed and 10,000 more people cutting down forests.  That's today, 20 years from now it will be even more as the saved children begin their own families, and in 40 years even more.  I asked a friend about this and he, being a retired high school teacher, said that the stoves must be accompanied by education.  Any thought on what education would be good? Kirk Harris,Santa Rosa, CA. USA----- Original Message ----- From: Marc-Antoine Pare To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 11:57 PMSubject: [Stoves] health impact? Hi everyone, A big confession: having tinkered with stoves for years, I never actually looked into the numbers of stove health impacts. I'm trying to fix that, and I hope you can help! I mean, yes, I can wave my hands about PM and CO and four million deaths! But how many deaths (or DALYs) do you avert per stove? Or per 10,000 stoves? Or per 100,000,000? I thought it would be an easy question to answer, but it's turning out to be quite tricky to even ballpark. Here is one interesting source. This is from the very recent webinar on Kirk Smith's HAPIT tool.  http://www.cleancookstoves.org/resources_files/hapit-results-rwanda.pdf This report considers 25,000 households.If you provide all of those households a rocket stove, you save only 0.75 lives per year. If you take the GACC's target 100,000,000 households, that would mean 0.75/25000*100000000 = 3,000 lives saved worldwide annually. What am I missing there? This seems so small. Some speculation: Kirk Smith mentions in the HAPIT webinar that even a small amount of PM2.5 is still harmful. Perhaps biomass stoves just don't get the number low enough? I think this would fit with the chart in the linked PDF that shows that stoves only reduce deaths by <5% for indoor air pollution. A few times in the HAPIT webinar, they mention "a lot of lives are still left on the table." This also seems to agree with something I found in Christian L'Orange's dissertation:http://digitool.library.colostate.edu///exlibris/dtl/d3_1/apache_media/L2V4bGlicmlzL2R0bC9kM18xL2FwYWNoZV9tZWRpYS8yNDYyOTQ=.pdf Figure 33 shows that Envirofit G3300 stoves only have a 3% (or so) impact on "Adjusted Relative Risk" (of death)  Please do not worry about hurting my feelings in correcting these numbers. Am I thinking about this the wrong way around? Have I punched the numbers in incorrectly?  Also, I would be very interested to read more good papers on health impacts for stoves. It is all really quite interesting work. I feel bad that I didn't look at it sooner. Best,Marc Paré 
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