[Stoves] Micro-enterprise Stoves
Daniel-John Peterson
exiledspirit at gmail.com
Tue Jun 2 07:33:57 CDT 2015
Hi Christina,
Happy to chat more about this. But I have not been using any formal
financial loan scheme at all. My micro-financing has simply consisted if me
donating small amounts, primarily based on what I'm personally prepared to
lose - which was less than a thousand dollars. Having said that, I did
spend $300+ on our first order of 10 stoves from the local manufacturer, of
which I've recouped ~60% but only due to my personal efforts in selling the
items.
The family I'm supporting have an unwritten understanding that I expect to
receive a return on my investment in the long term (when their business
becomes successful), but equally they understand that I accept all the risk
as the sole investor. At least I hope that's their understanding.
It's my belief that if investors (micro-creditors) do not receive any
return on their investment, then their 'investment' only really serves as a
distraction, leading to further entrench the socio-economic isolation that
was originally there. That's why I propagate my reputation for expecting a
return on my investment, in a gentle way.
Thanks,
Daniel
danieljohnpeterson.com
On Jun 1, 2015 11:18 PM, "Christina Espinosa" <c_espinosa1 at u.pacific.edu>
wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> I am currently doing long term micro-credit for stoves and am looking to
> chat with others that are doing the same. Are you doing loans longer than 3
> payments and longer than 6 months?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Christina
>
> On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Daniel-John Peterson <
> exiledspirit at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jock,
>>
>> This year I've been coordinating and micro-financing a socio-economically
>> challenged family in the Philippines, to distribute and retail the Belonio
>> TLUD-type domestic cooking stove (danieljohnpeterson.com). It's the
>> family's first attempt at operating their own business & has required
>> extensive support. During my in-kind work there, I demonstrated the cooking
>> stove for about 200+ potential customers, in both urban and rural settings.
>> Anecdotal I can say I had near zero interest from anyone for the benefits
>> of TLUD technologies related to climate-change mitigation. We've achieved
>> several sales, but unfortunately I have no literal documentation of the
>> type you've requested.
>>
>> Thank you for the great question.
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>>
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>>> 1. Re: examples of biochar stoves in micro enterprise?
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 10:33:12 +0530
>>> From: Sujatha Srinivasan <sujatha at servals.in>
>>> To: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com>
>>> Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] examples of biochar stoves in micro enterprise?
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>>> Thank you Crispin.
>>>
>>> Dear Mr. Gill - Greetings from Servals, India. Good to e-meet you.
>>>
>>> As a quick background - we are a social enterprise based in India with a
>>> mandate around efficient, clean household cookstove based on a social
>>> entrepreneurship based business model. www.servalsgroup.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> I am happy to enclose a link to a cookstove program around our TLUD
>>> gasifier cookstoves - which is currently running in Sunderbans, West
>>> Bengal
>>> (Indo-gangetic delta in Eastern India). The largest dissemination of the
>>> gasifier cookstove technology till date, the first to receive a carbon
>>> credit accredit ion, this program has also built in a "charcoal-buyback"
>>> program - where the users of the cookstove are paid for collecting and
>>> selling back the residue (charcoal) from the cookstove back to the
>>> project.
>>> This "TLUD charcoal" is then sold as a replacement for fossil fuel.
>>>
>>> We have just compiled a documentation of the socio-economic-environmental
>>> benefits of this cookstove program. Please see this link:
>>>
>>> http://www.slideshare.net/ashiq25/earn-while-you-cook-sunderbans-project-achievements
>>>
>>> Happy to share more information.
>>>
>>> Look forward to hearing from you.
>>>
>>> Warm Regards
>>> Sujatha
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
>>> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Dear Jock
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Contact Sujatha.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards
>>> >
>>> > Crispin
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > All,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > A friend in the State Department writes:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > "Talking to people about both climate change and cookstoves. Any good,
>>> > well documented, examples of people using biochar stoves inmicro
>>> enterprise
>>> > applications?"
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for your time and consideration.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Jock
>>> >
>>> > Jock Gill
>>> >
>>> > P. O. Box 3
>>> >
>>> > Peacham, VT 05862
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *google.com/+JockGill*
>>> > <
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:36:54 +0100
>>> From: ajheggie at gmail.com
>>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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>>> [Default] On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:24:01 -0700,Frank Shields
>>> <franke at cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Absolutely amazing!
>>>
>>> Yes , the different ways we things does produce widely differing views
>>> of the subject. I liked Cecil's last couple of posts because I share
>>> his view that minutely comparing stoves's technical performance is not
>>> easily translated into the variations between users in actual use.
>>> Also I am no expert in mensuration and feel a lot of the nitpicking is
>>> like a talent contest to have a particular stove selected for grant
>>> funding.
>>> >
>>> >I?m trying to control variables and ALL are just skirting around the
>>> problem by pilling up variables on top of each so much it makes moving
>>> forward impossible.
>>>
>>> Maybe so but your background is in the science of measurement and
>>> analysis, your mind set is to compartmentalise and pigeon hole to
>>> enable that analysis, many of us have to take a broader view because
>>> we do not share your expertise.
>>>
>>> > ?Smokeless fuel? What is that!
>>>
>>> Yes I'm sure I can make most fuels smoke ;-)
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >and Climate Connection!!??!!
>>>
>>> I agree this is a bit off topic and tenuous and better discussed on
>>> the biochar list, important though it may be, it's best we stick to
>>> stoves and their performance which includes cultural issues.
>>>
>>>
>>> AJH
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:54:17 +0100
>>> From: ajheggie at gmail.com
>>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] VERY interesting article in LOW-TECH MAGAZINE:
>>> Well-Tended Fires Outperform Modern Cooking Stoves
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>>> [Default] On Fri, 29 May 2015 14:29:11 -0400,Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
>>> <crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >It is a good article to challenge yourself on whether the comparisons
>>> are made fairly or not. If you compare the energy in the total fuel
>>> consumed in one system with the energy in the heat transferred to the pot
>>> in another, how do you know if one is better than the other?
>>>
>>> Yes, I would have likes a bit more information about how the costs for
>>> power used to produce and distribute refined fuels were attributed, I
>>> could see no legend for the graphic used.
>>>
>>> I like to use natural gas to cook with (my wife insists on an electric
>>> hob at home and as she does 99% of the household cooking...) but can
>>> see how these additional costs do make it less efficient than a wood
>>> flame cooker.
>>>
>>> AJH
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:06:54 -0400
>>> From: Jock Gill <jock at jockgill.com>
>>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
>>> Message-ID: <43B5E013-DBCE-4D0F-8675-587B94154852 at jockgill.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> Regenerative Capitalism would create an environment in which Biochar
>>> could thrive. It may be a necessary condition for Biochar to thrive.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2015/05/31/Save-the-planet-while-lifting-fellow-humans-out-of-poverty-with-regenerative-capitalism/stories/201505310082
>>>
>>> I look forward to your comments and suggestions.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Jock
>>>
>>> Jock Gill
>>> P. O. Box 3
>>> Peacham, VT 05862
>>>
>>> google.com/+JockGill
>>>
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:52:37 -0400
>>> From: Bamboo Science Group <greg at bamboosciencegroup.com>
>>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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>>> Subject: [Stoves] Dean on TV
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>>> Congrats Dean on your story appearing on CBS Sunday Morning
>>> G
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:58:16 -0500
>>> From: cec1863 at gmail.com
>>> To: Jock Gill <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>, Discussion of
>>> biomass
>>> cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:24:51 -0400
>>> From: Jock Gill <jock at jockgill.com>
>>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
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>>> Cecil,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the thoughtful reply with much valuable context.
>>>
>>> Jock Gill
>>> P. O. Box 3
>>> Peacham, VT 05862
>>>
>>> google.com/+JockGill
>>>
>>> Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
>>>
>>> > On May 31, 2015, at 10:58 AM, cec1863 at gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Interesting Oped piece on replacing degenerative capitalism with
>>> regenerative capitalism. Who is not in favour of regeneration? But there is
>>> still the question of who pays for the damage done by unbridled
>>> capitalism's drunken spree which wrecked the US and global economy. Is it
>>> not like taking another hit on the bottle to overcome the hangover that
>>> resulted from yesterday's excesses? Maybe both capitalism and socialism
>>> have in fact failed so what we need is a pre capitalistic economy which
>>> returns to a more generous conception of ?what it means to be a responsible
>>> human being and good neighbor. Fritz Schumacher wrote eloquently about
>>> Buddhist economics which referenced a village economy in Burma (I think it
>>> was) and the intelligent way farming families cooperated to ensure no one
>>> starves and everybody contributes their labour and capital to ensure the
>>> well being of everyone in the community. Every family contributes and
>>> everyone benefits. It's an all in kind of communitarian economics,
>>> >
>>> > On this point I remember when I Fritz explained to well wisher at a
>>> luncheon in his honour in Chicago ?(where I got to know him a little
>>> because NCAT was co hosting a speaking tour for him around the USA in 1976)
>>> that he could have just as well used Christian Economics as the title but
>>> then unfortunately very few people would have taken the time to read it!
>>> You will perhap remember that Schumacher got most of his communitarian
>>> economics from Gandhi's struggle to revitalize the (then) half million
>>> villages in India so each would become politically self governing and
>>> economically self reliant.
>>> >
>>> > So to make a long response short: there is no need to fix a
>>> disintegrated capitalism. We can thank Karl Marx and Max Weber? for their
>>> respective critiques of free will capitalism and bureaucratic socialism,
>>> clear our heads of ideological abstractions, and focus our minds and hearts
>>> on the challenge of creating a sustainable inclusive economy which offers
>>> modest property and meaning work for all its able bodied members. If we
>>> need a label let's call it communitarian economics. But what's in the name
>>> when it's the challenge of full, meaningful, and environmentally
>>> appropriate employment that is at the heart of our struggle for a new world
>>> order in which humanity can live out its destiny on this little blue green
>>> planet we call home. Remember Bucky Fuller's Operating Manual for Spaceship
>>> Earth and don't leave home without it!
>>> >
>>> > Best we keep on trukin because we ain't nowhere close to home yet.
>>> >
>>> > Cecil Cook
>>> > TechnoShare SA
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>>> > From: Jock Gill
>>> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:07 AM
>>> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> > Reply To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> > Subject: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
>>> >
>>> > Regenerative Capitalism would create an environment in which Biochar
>>> could thrive. It may be a necessary condition for Biochar to thrive.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2015/05/31/Save-the-planet-while-lifting-fellow-humans-out-of-poverty-with-regenerative-capitalism/stories/201505310082
>>> >
>>> > I look forward to your comments and suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > Regards,
>>> >
>>> > Jock
>>> >
>>> > Jock Gill
>>> > P. O. Box 3
>>> > Peacham, VT 05862
>>> >
>>> > google.com/+JockGill
>>> >
>>> > Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
>>> >
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