[Stoves] Message 1: Jock's Question, Micro-enterprise Examples
Christina Espinosa
c_espinosa1 at u.pacific.edu
Mon Jun 1 10:18:22 CDT 2015
Hi Daniel,
I am currently doing long term micro-credit for stoves and am looking to
chat with others that are doing the same. Are you doing loans longer than 3
payments and longer than 6 months?
Thanks!
Christina
On Mon, Jun 1, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Daniel-John Peterson <exiledspirit at gmail.com
> wrote:
> Hi Jock,
>
> This year I've been coordinating and micro-financing a socio-economically
> challenged family in the Philippines, to distribute and retail the Belonio
> TLUD-type domestic cooking stove (danieljohnpeterson.com). It's the
> family's first attempt at operating their own business & has required
> extensive support. During my in-kind work there, I demonstrated the cooking
> stove for about 200+ potential customers, in both urban and rural settings.
> Anecdotal I can say I had near zero interest from anyone for the benefits
> of TLUD technologies related to climate-change mitigation. We've achieved
> several sales, but unfortunately I have no literal documentation of the
> type you've requested.
>
> Thank you for the great question.
>
> Daniel
>
>
>
> On 1 June 2015 at 02:00, <stoves-request at lists.bioenergylists.org> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: examples of biochar stoves in micro enterprise?
>> (Sujatha Srinivasan)
>> 2. Re: Classifying biomass fuels - topic change (ajheggie at gmail.com)
>> 3. Re: VERY interesting article in LOW-TECH MAGAZINE:
>> Well-Tended Fires Outperform Modern Cooking Stoves
>> (ajheggie at gmail.com)
>> 4. Regenerative Capitalism (Jock Gill)
>> 5. Dean on TV (Bamboo Science Group)
>> 6. Re: Regenerative Capitalism (cec1863 at gmail.com)
>> 7. Re: Regenerative Capitalism (Jock Gill)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 10:33:12 +0530
>> From: Sujatha Srinivasan <sujatha at servals.in>
>> To: Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <crispinpigott at outlook.com>
>> Cc: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] examples of biochar stoves in micro enterprise?
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>> Thank you Crispin.
>>
>> Dear Mr. Gill - Greetings from Servals, India. Good to e-meet you.
>>
>> As a quick background - we are a social enterprise based in India with a
>> mandate around efficient, clean household cookstove based on a social
>> entrepreneurship based business model. www.servalsgroup.blogspot.com
>>
>> I am happy to enclose a link to a cookstove program around our TLUD
>> gasifier cookstoves - which is currently running in Sunderbans, West
>> Bengal
>> (Indo-gangetic delta in Eastern India). The largest dissemination of the
>> gasifier cookstove technology till date, the first to receive a carbon
>> credit accredit ion, this program has also built in a "charcoal-buyback"
>> program - where the users of the cookstove are paid for collecting and
>> selling back the residue (charcoal) from the cookstove back to the
>> project.
>> This "TLUD charcoal" is then sold as a replacement for fossil fuel.
>>
>> We have just compiled a documentation of the socio-economic-environmental
>> benefits of this cookstove program. Please see this link:
>>
>> http://www.slideshare.net/ashiq25/earn-while-you-cook-sunderbans-project-achievements
>>
>> Happy to share more information.
>>
>> Look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>> Warm Regards
>> Sujatha
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
>> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Dear Jock
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Contact Sujatha.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Crispin
>> >
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>> > All,
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>> >
>> >
>> > A friend in the State Department writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Talking to people about both climate change and cookstoves. Any good,
>> > well documented, examples of people using biochar stoves inmicro
>> enterprise
>> > applications?"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for your time and consideration.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jock
>> >
>> > Jock Gill
>> >
>> > P. O. Box 3
>> >
>> > Peacham, VT 05862
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *google.com/+JockGill*
>> > <
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>> > Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
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>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:36:54 +0100
>> From: ajheggie at gmail.com
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Classifying biomass fuels - topic change
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>> [Default] On Sat, 30 May 2015 10:24:01 -0700,Frank Shields
>> <franke at cruzio.com> wrote:
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>> >
>> >Absolutely amazing!
>>
>> Yes , the different ways we things does produce widely differing views
>> of the subject. I liked Cecil's last couple of posts because I share
>> his view that minutely comparing stoves's technical performance is not
>> easily translated into the variations between users in actual use.
>> Also I am no expert in mensuration and feel a lot of the nitpicking is
>> like a talent contest to have a particular stove selected for grant
>> funding.
>> >
>> >I?m trying to control variables and ALL are just skirting around the
>> problem by pilling up variables on top of each so much it makes moving
>> forward impossible.
>>
>> Maybe so but your background is in the science of measurement and
>> analysis, your mind set is to compartmentalise and pigeon hole to
>> enable that analysis, many of us have to take a broader view because
>> we do not share your expertise.
>>
>> > ?Smokeless fuel? What is that!
>>
>> Yes I'm sure I can make most fuels smoke ;-)
>> >
>> >
>> >and Climate Connection!!??!!
>>
>> I agree this is a bit off topic and tenuous and better discussed on
>> the biochar list, important though it may be, it's best we stick to
>> stoves and their performance which includes cultural issues.
>>
>>
>> AJH
>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 13:54:17 +0100
>> From: ajheggie at gmail.com
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] VERY interesting article in LOW-TECH MAGAZINE:
>> Well-Tended Fires Outperform Modern Cooking Stoves
>> Message-ID: <us0mmalg1cml8pkp4p0l7guu20ooguqvsu at 4ax.com>
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>> [Default] On Fri, 29 May 2015 14:29:11 -0400,Crispin Pemberton-Pigott
>> <crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> >It is a good article to challenge yourself on whether the comparisons
>> are made fairly or not. If you compare the energy in the total fuel
>> consumed in one system with the energy in the heat transferred to the pot
>> in another, how do you know if one is better than the other?
>>
>> Yes, I would have likes a bit more information about how the costs for
>> power used to produce and distribute refined fuels were attributed, I
>> could see no legend for the graphic used.
>>
>> I like to use natural gas to cook with (my wife insists on an electric
>> hob at home and as she does 99% of the household cooking...) but can
>> see how these additional costs do make it less efficient than a wood
>> flame cooker.
>>
>> AJH
>>
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:06:54 -0400
>> From: Jock Gill <jock at jockgill.com>
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
>> Message-ID: <43B5E013-DBCE-4D0F-8675-587B94154852 at jockgill.com>
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>> Regenerative Capitalism would create an environment in which Biochar
>> could thrive. It may be a necessary condition for Biochar to thrive.
>>
>>
>> http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2015/05/31/Save-the-planet-while-lifting-fellow-humans-out-of-poverty-with-regenerative-capitalism/stories/201505310082
>>
>> I look forward to your comments and suggestions.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jock
>>
>> Jock Gill
>> P. O. Box 3
>> Peacham, VT 05862
>>
>> google.com/+JockGill
>>
>> Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
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>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:52:37 -0400
>> From: Bamboo Science Group <greg at bamboosciencegroup.com>
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
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>> Congrats Dean on your story appearing on CBS Sunday Morning
>> G
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>> Sent from my iPad
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>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 09:58:16 -0500
>> From: cec1863 at gmail.com
>> To: Jock Gill <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>, Discussion of
>> biomass
>> cooking stoves <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
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>> Date: Sun, 31 May 2015 11:24:51 -0400
>> From: Jock Gill <jock at jockgill.com>
>> To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> <stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
>> Message-ID: <28637F17-BAD6-4ABD-82CA-45FA26D5AE7F at jockgill.com>
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>> Cecil,
>>
>> Many thanks for the thoughtful reply with much valuable context.
>>
>> Jock Gill
>> P. O. Box 3
>> Peacham, VT 05862
>>
>> google.com/+JockGill
>>
>> Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
>>
>> > On May 31, 2015, at 10:58 AM, cec1863 at gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Interesting Oped piece on replacing degenerative capitalism with
>> regenerative capitalism. Who is not in favour of regeneration? But there is
>> still the question of who pays for the damage done by unbridled
>> capitalism's drunken spree which wrecked the US and global economy. Is it
>> not like taking another hit on the bottle to overcome the hangover that
>> resulted from yesterday's excesses? Maybe both capitalism and socialism
>> have in fact failed so what we need is a pre capitalistic economy which
>> returns to a more generous conception of ?what it means to be a responsible
>> human being and good neighbor. Fritz Schumacher wrote eloquently about
>> Buddhist economics which referenced a village economy in Burma (I think it
>> was) and the intelligent way farming families cooperated to ensure no one
>> starves and everybody contributes their labour and capital to ensure the
>> well being of everyone in the community. Every family contributes and
>> everyone benefits. It's an all in kind of communitarian economics,
>> >
>> > On this point I remember when I Fritz explained to well wisher at a
>> luncheon in his honour in Chicago ?(where I got to know him a little
>> because NCAT was co hosting a speaking tour for him around the USA in 1976)
>> that he could have just as well used Christian Economics as the title but
>> then unfortunately very few people would have taken the time to read it!
>> You will perhap remember that Schumacher got most of his communitarian
>> economics from Gandhi's struggle to revitalize the (then) half million
>> villages in India so each would become politically self governing and
>> economically self reliant.
>> >
>> > So to make a long response short: there is no need to fix a
>> disintegrated capitalism. We can thank Karl Marx and Max Weber? for their
>> respective critiques of free will capitalism and bureaucratic socialism,
>> clear our heads of ideological abstractions, and focus our minds and hearts
>> on the challenge of creating a sustainable inclusive economy which offers
>> modest property and meaning work for all its able bodied members. If we
>> need a label let's call it communitarian economics. But what's in the name
>> when it's the challenge of full, meaningful, and environmentally
>> appropriate employment that is at the heart of our struggle for a new world
>> order in which humanity can live out its destiny on this little blue green
>> planet we call home. Remember Bucky Fuller's Operating Manual for Spaceship
>> Earth and don't leave home without it!
>> >
>> > Best we keep on trukin because we ain't nowhere close to home yet.
>> >
>> > Cecil Cook
>> > TechnoShare SA
>> >
>> >
>> > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
>> > From: Jock Gill
>> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2015 8:07 AM
>> > To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> > Reply To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>> > Subject: [Stoves] Regenerative Capitalism
>> >
>> > Regenerative Capitalism would create an environment in which Biochar
>> could thrive. It may be a necessary condition for Biochar to thrive.
>> >
>> >
>> http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/Op-Ed/2015/05/31/Save-the-planet-while-lifting-fellow-humans-out-of-poverty-with-regenerative-capitalism/stories/201505310082
>> >
>> > I look forward to your comments and suggestions.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Jock
>> >
>> > Jock Gill
>> > P. O. Box 3
>> > Peacham, VT 05862
>> >
>> > google.com/+JockGill
>> >
>> > Extract CO2 from the atmosphere!
>> >
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