[Stoves] India LPG stoves approach Fwd: [stove] Giving it up

Sat Oct 3 10:17:38 CDT 2015

Hi Paul,

The GACC and USAID traction funded 3 studies that will look at adoption.
All three of them are quite interesting. One uses a free stove
dissemination from the government in Ghana and will monitor with SUMs and
personal CO monitors for 200 households. Another is in Rwanda which will
give away the stoves, but sell fuel pellets under contract and will study
180 households. The last is in Guatemala and uses a market based model
where stoves are bought mostly with a 12 month payment plan and the
consumer has to buy their fuel...this will monitor 80 households.

I think there will be more information on them in Ghana from GACC, but
those are about to start soon. Should be really interesting to look at
adoption with free vs purchased. Lots of variables matter.

Another interesting thing to consider for stovers. I think sometimes we
tend to think of the families we serve as poor families with similar
conditions (we box them into one stereotype), but in reality we should look
at them as very different consumers with different needs, situations, etc.
We can't really assume that one solution will work or won't work for
everyone cooking with biomass. The GACC just finished a fantastic market
segmentation study in Guatemala where there was something like 6-8 market
segmentations. Never underestimate that your consumers are going to want 10
different stove options. Each of these segments can also have additional
barriers (gender roles in decision making, culture, etc). And after
analyzing the market the options for each of the families in a segment was
very different. Something to think about.

Best,
Christina

On Sat, Oct 3, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> Stovers,
>
> It will be very interesting to know the results of any follow-up surveys
> about these stoves and the people who receive them.   We can hope for
> favorable results, but there are plenty of reasons for unfavorable results.
>
> One possible finding COULD be that when the gas is gone and refilling is
> unlikely, the households could be tempted to sell the empty gas canister
> and also the burner-head and connectors.   The original recipient receives
> some cash (or barter) at a lower value than the equipment available in the
> marketplace.   The buyer receives materials at essentially a subsidized
> price, regardless of being poor, middle income or even wealthy.   The buyer
> might use the LPG stove, might market it for some personal gain, or (worst
> case) might simple be a scrap metal collector who terminates the cookstove
> value.
>
> There are tens of thousands of such LPG donations already delivered.
> Some follow-up results from reliable sources would be appropriate,
> especially considering the GACC and ESMAP emphasis on measurement and
> evaluation (M&E) components in stove projects.  We cannot expect 100%
> accepted adoption.   But is 80% or 60% or ??% acceptable?
>
> **** Shift of topic****  What would happen with a similar expenditure to
> distribute (and give initial instructional support) for a Tier 3 or 4 stove
> with biomass fuel?   Be sure to include job creation and income genertion
> in the fuel supply chain.    Of course I am thinking of TLUD stoves, some
> with natural draft, but also including those with small fans and
> rechargeable batteries.   We will not know unless such activities are
> implemented and evaluated.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 10/3/2015 12:18 AM, Qayum Ali Shah wrote:
>
> I agree with Nguyen. LPG means cash and the poor has no cash to buy it .
> While the biomass by one way or the other comes for free to the poor either
> from his/her own farms or where they work for other rich farmers. LPG can
> be recommended on a later stage once the existing cook stove has been
> improved and the poor has experienced its benefits in terms of saved time
> for women, cash for those who may buy the fuel wood and improved indoor air
> ... Then on a later stage one can introduce LPG... Other than
> affordability, availability is yet another issue and then price control
> would be third one. You need training on the use of LPG stoves first as if
> women do not know it completely then they may kill themselves besides
> burning the houses... You need special training to change the gas bottle
> once this is empty... Also the regulator is yet another lacuna , if not
> fixed properly then gas will be gone and then the family may starve ???
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 03-Oct-2015, at 5:09 AM, Anh Nguyen < <ntanh72 at gmail.com>
> ntanh72 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I dont think that would solve anything. There are 2 problems with the
> poor, access to service and afford service. I dont think a poor family
> having lpg stoves would meant that they will switch to use lpg for cooking
> unless lpg is the cheapest or at least highly affordable compare to the
> income.
>
> Vietnam has very good lpg stoves coverage, ~95% rural family that we
> talked to has lpg stove using 12kg plg tank. But most of them use that 12kg
> for 3-6 months, some cases up to 12-18 months while city folks use same
> tank for 20-30days.
>
> That a good thing that the Indian PM do but that is not enough to solve
> the root of the problem, not yet.
>
> Anh
> On Oct 2, 2015 19:21, "Paul Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Stovers,
>>
>> This came today from Kirk Smith's [stove] listserv, and is of interest to
>> all Stovers.
>>
>> Is this a Market Systems Approach?   What can be done on a similar note
>> for biomass stoves?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype: paultlud      Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [stove] Giving it up Date: Fri,
>> 02 Oct 2015 02:02:47 -0700 From: Kirk R. Smith <krksmith at berkeley.edu>
>> <krksmith at berkeley.edu> Reply-To: krksmith at berkeley.edu To: Kirk R.
>> Smith <Krksmith at berkeley.edu> <Krksmith at berkeley.edu>
>>
>>
>> Today is Gandhi's Birthday, a national holiday in India.  See below how
>> the Prime Minister is spending his day appropriately -- officially giving
>> 5000 below-poverty-line families new LPG connections in Jharkhand, one of
>> the poorest states of India (and gaining political credit by doing so).
>> The subsidies going with these connections were given up by middle-class
>> households and transferred to the BPL families as part of the ambitions
>> "GIve it Up" campaign underway since April  So far, well more than 3
>> million households have given up their subsidies, amounting to something
>> like a 200 million USD shift of resources from the rich* to the poor.   The
>> BPL families are given a stove and their first cylinder from Social
>> Responsibility funds by the major oil companies in the country.  The
>> expectation is that 10 million households worth of subsidy will shift
>> before long -- rising at 30,000 a day I was told yesterday.
>>
>> This is a sea change in the landscape of clean fuel access and a great
>> opportunity for creative research designs to evaluate the health and other
>> benefits and to follow stacking and other behavior changes.
>>
>> More soon, but happy Gandhiji's birthday/k
>>
>> * Actually, I was told that very few of the truly rich have given up
>> their subsidies -- it is mostly the middle class.  Sounds familiar -- it is
>> the rich who have the highest expectations of public subsidy in my country
>> too.
>>
>> [image: imggallery]
>>
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Christina Espinosa
University of the Pacific '10
School of International Studies
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