[Stoves] India LPG stoves approach Fwd: [stove] Giving it up
Paul Anderson
psanders at ilstu.edu
Sat Oct 3 08:56:08 CDT 2015
Stovers,
It will be very interesting to know the results of any follow-up surveys
about these stoves and the people who receive them. We can hope for
favorable results, but there are plenty of reasons for unfavorable results.
One possible finding COULD be that when the gas is gone and refilling is
unlikely, the households could be tempted to sell the empty gas canister
and also the burner-head and connectors. The original recipient
receives some cash (or barter) at a lower value than the equipment
available in the marketplace. The buyer receives materials at
essentially a subsidized price, regardless of being poor, middle income
or even wealthy. The buyer might use the LPG stove, might market it
for some personal gain, or (worst case) might simple be a scrap metal
collector who terminates the cookstove value.
There are tens of thousands of such LPG donations already delivered.
Some follow-up results from reliable sources would be appropriate,
especially considering the GACC and ESMAP emphasis on measurement and
evaluation (M&E) components in stove projects. We cannot expect 100%
accepted adoption. But is 80% or 60% or ??% acceptable?
**** Shift of topic**** What would happen with a similar expenditure to
distribute (and give initial instructional support) for a Tier 3 or 4
stove with biomass fuel? Be sure to include job creation and income
genertion in the fuel supply chain. Of course I am thinking of TLUD
stoves, some with natural draft, but also including those with small
fans and rechargeable batteries. We will not know unless such
activities are implemented and evaluated.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 10/3/2015 12:18 AM, Qayum Ali Shah wrote:
> I agree with Nguyen. LPG means cash and the poor has no cash to buy it
> . While the biomass by one way or the other comes for free to the poor
> either from his/her own farms or where they work for other rich
> farmers. LPG can be recommended on a later stage once the existing
> cook stove has been improved and the poor has experienced its benefits
> in terms of saved time for women, cash for those who may buy the fuel
> wood and improved indoor air ... Then on a later stage one can
> introduce LPG... Other than affordability, availability is yet another
> issue and then price control would be third one. You need training on
> the use of LPG stoves first as if women do not know it completely then
> they may kill themselves besides burning the houses... You need
> special training to change the gas bottle once this is empty... Also
> the regulator is yet another lacuna , if not fixed properly then gas
> will be gone and then the family may starve ???
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 03-Oct-2015, at 5:09 AM, Anh Nguyen <ntanh72 at gmail.com
> <mailto:ntanh72 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I dont think that would solve anything. There are 2 problems with the
>> poor, access to service and afford service. I dont think a poor
>> family having lpg stoves would meant that they will switch to use lpg
>> for cooking unless lpg is the cheapest or at least highly affordable
>> compare to the income.
>>
>> Vietnam has very good lpg stoves coverage, ~95% rural family that we
>> talked to has lpg stove using 12kg plg tank. But most of them use
>> that 12kg for 3-6 months, some cases up to 12-18 months while city
>> folks use same tank for 20-30days.
>>
>> That a good thing that the Indian PM do but that is not enough to
>> solve the root of the problem, not yet.
>>
>> Anh
>>
>> On Oct 2, 2015 19:21, "Paul Anderson" <psanders at ilstu.edu
>> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Stovers,
>>
>> This came today from Kirk Smith's [stove] listserv, and is of
>> interest to all Stovers.
>>
>> Is this a Market Systems Approach? What can be done on a
>> similar note for biomass stoves?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: [stove] Giving it up
>> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 02:02:47 -0700
>> From: Kirk R. Smith <krksmith at berkeley.edu>
>> <mailto:krksmith at berkeley.edu>
>> Reply-To: krksmith at berkeley.edu <mailto:krksmith at berkeley.edu>
>> To: Kirk R. Smith <Krksmith at berkeley.edu>
>> <mailto:Krksmith at berkeley.edu>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Today is Gandhi's Birthday, a national holiday in India. See
>> below how the Prime Minister is spending his day appropriately --
>> officially giving 5000 below-poverty-line families new LPG
>> connections in Jharkhand, one of the poorest states of India (and
>> gaining political credit by doing so). The subsidies going with
>> these connections were given up by middle-class households and
>> transferred to the BPL families as part of the ambitions "GIve it
>> Up" campaign underway since April So far, well more than 3
>> million households have given up their subsidies, amounting to
>> something like a 200 million USD shift of resources from the
>> rich* to the poor. The BPL families are given a stove and their
>> first cylinder from Social Responsibility funds by the major oil
>> companies in the country. The expectation is that 10 million
>> households worth of subsidy will shift before long -- rising at
>> 30,000 a day I was told yesterday.
>>
>> This is a sea change in the landscape of clean fuel access and a
>> great opportunity for creative research designs to evaluate the
>> health and other benefits and to follow stacking and other
>> behavior changes.
>>
>> More soon, but happy Gandhiji's birthday/k
>>
>> * Actually, I was told that very few of the truly rich have given
>> up their subsidies -- it is mostly the middle class. Sounds
>> familiar -- it is the rich who have the highest expectations of
>> public subsidy in my country too.
>>
>> imggallery
>>
>>
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