[Stoves] brush fires

Philip Lloyd plloyd at mweb.co.za
Mon Sep 21 13:52:42 MDT 2015

Yes, and here one have one of the world's smallest biomes, yet one of the
richest, and most species are propagated by fire.  There is even symbiosis
between insects and plants - some plants have developed a sticky resin
outside their seeds, which ants love, and carry into their nests as a food
store against times of drought.  The drought comes, the ants eat the stored
food, the fire sweeps across the surface, and when the rain follows, the
seeds burst into growth.  Oh yes - the rain has to pick up some chemicals
from the fire to persuade the seeds to germinate.  The won't germinate with
clean water.  Isn't nature wonderful?

Philip Lloyd


From: Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] On Behalf Of
Ronald Hongsermeier
Sent: 21 September 2015 09:05
To: Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
Subject: Re: [Stoves] brush fires


Hi Kirk,

back in the late 80's I lived in California during the end of the last major
drought cycle there. I watched the levels in the reservoirs above Fresno and
Bakersfield go down to nearly creek levels. The idea of virgin forests is
one that dies hard among the green activists. Buffer zones where wood and
brush and dry grasses can be harvested -- even for the express purpose of
fire suppression -- is unpopular because it goes against Mother Nature being
the highest value and Nature only really being of value when it is pristine
as in "untouched by humankind". That uncontrolled fuel accumulation leads to
uncontrollable fires is a thought that goes cross-grain to the Nature
religion's orthodoxy. Unluckily, both humans and all other forms of
biodiversity  cook similarly when forest-fired!

P.S. because of the equipment and energy costs, pelletizing is probably only
going to be cost-effective if you will be either doing large amounts or are
co-oping and have lots of free labor. Most free lunches leave an aftertaste.

On 21.09.2015 19:15, kgharris wrote:



I have known Dr. Paul Anderson and Dr. Ron Larson for two years and they
have been honorable men.


We in California and along the west coast of the USA have been experiencing
droughts and numerous wild brush and forest fires.  Does anyone on the list
know of a way to harvest brush and make it into wood stove fuel such as
pellets?  Can this be a profitable incentive to remove the brush?  If it was
profitable to harvest the brush in key areas, removing it as wild fire fuel,
perhaps the fires could be broken up and contained into smaller areas before
they become so big.  Then we would have the pellets to use as needed.



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