[Stoves] brush fires

[Ronald Hongsermeier]

Indeed, nature is so wonderful, it's hard to believe it's random. 
Further, I'm not in any way suggesting we need to regulate fire 
everywhere, just that I'd prefer fuel in areas near civilization to go 
up the chimney in as efficiently as a fashion possible, to having it go 
up mostly in smoke whilst acting to provide kindling to torch said 
civilized patches.

regards,
Ron


On 21.09.2015 21:52, Philip Lloyd wrote:
>
> Yes, and here one have one of the world’s smallest biomes, yet one of 
> the richest, and most species are propagated by fire.  There is even 
> symbiosis between insects and plants – some plants have developed a 
> sticky resin outside their seeds, which ants love, and carry into 
> their nests as a food store against times of drought.  The drought 
> comes, the ants eat the stored food, the fire sweeps across the 
> surface, and when the rain follows, the seeds burst into growth.  Oh 
> yes – the rain has to pick up some chemicals from the fire to persuade 
> the seeds to germinate.  The won’t germinate with clean water.  Isn’t 
> nature wonderful?
>
> Philip Lloyd
>
> *From:*Stoves [mailto:stoves-bounces at lists.bioenergylists.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *Ronald Hongsermeier
> *Sent:* 21 September 2015 09:05
> *To:* Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
> *Subject:* Re: [Stoves] brush fires
>
> Hi Kirk,
>
> back in the late 80's I lived in California during the end of the last 
> major drought cycle there. I watched the levels in the reservoirs 
> above Fresno and Bakersfield go down to nearly creek levels. The idea 
> of virgin forests is one that dies hard among the green activists. 
> Buffer zones where wood and brush and dry grasses can be harvested -- 
> even for the express purpose of  fire suppression -- is unpopular 
> because it goes against Mother Nature being the highest value and 
> Nature only really being of value when it is pristine as in "untouched 
> by humankind". That uncontrolled fuel accumulation leads to 
> uncontrollable fires is a thought that goes cross-grain to the Nature 
> religion's orthodoxy. Unluckily, both humans and all other forms of 
> biodiversity  cook similarly when forest-fired!
>
> regards,
> Ron
> P.S. because of the equipment and energy costs, pelletizing is 
> probably only going to be cost-effective if you will be either doing 
> large amounts or are co-oping and have lots of free labor. Most free 
> lunches leave an aftertaste.
>
> On 21.09.2015 19:15, kgharris wrote:
>
>     All,
>
>     I have known Dr. Paul Anderson and Dr. Ron Larson for two years
>     and they have been honorable men.
>
>     We in California and along the west coast of the USA have been
>     experiencing droughts and numerous wild brush and forest
>     fires.  Does anyone on the list know of a way to harvest brush and
>     make it into wood stove fuel such as pellets?  Can this be a
>     profitable incentive to remove the brush?  If it was profitable to
>     harvest the brush in key areas, removing it as wild fire fuel,
>     perhaps the fires could be broken up and contained into smaller
>     areas before they become so big.  Then we would have the pellets
>     to use as needed.
>
>     Kirk
>
>
>
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