[Stoves] Terms and Definitions - Stoves and ISO (Re: Paul)

Traveller miata98 at gmail.com
Thu Dec 15 12:49:55 CST 2016 

Paul:

Can there be a "narrow" sense of "stove" that makes any sense to anybody
but the narrow-minded?

It was on this List some 20+ years ago that I remember asking for a
definition and characterization of "stoves". How does one go about
inventorying stoves and characterizing markets for stoves and fuels?

I drew a blank. Now we have an online Catalog
<http://catalog.cleancookstoves.org/> of Stoves thanks to GACC - but no
clue as to how this is useful and to whom. Usability of GACC is as much in
question as usability of stoves.

(Around then some silly inventorization of fuels had begun to acquire the
status of "database". I had begun seriously on such work back in 1980 and
knew how IPCC "guidelines" on national emission inventories were prepared
beginning around 1988. By 1994, I was also involved in USDOE inventories
and corporate inventories. As I recall it, someone at USDOE/EIA - a
marvellous man whose name I forget - had prepared and filed his own
"voluntary action" form for personal GHG. I kidded him then about the
potential abuse that later came to be known as "carbon footprint" and the
fakery of "Voluntary Carbon", "Gold Standard".)

Terms and definition are crucial to science. S/He who controls Terms and
Definitions - and the process of measurement - controls science. (Yes, we
all now know how science is controlled.)

I was amused to discover yesterday that ISO ISO/NP TR 21276
<http://www.iso.org/iso/home/store/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=70366>
- Clean
cookstoves and clean cooking solutions Terms and definitions" - is a blank
page.

I also discovered something called TC285
<http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink?func=ll&objId=16743121&objAction=browse&viewType=1>
- and its Business Plan
<http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/687806/ISO_TC_285__Clean_cookstoves_and_clean_cooking_solutions_.pdf?nodeid=17164114&vernum=-2>
and
for something else called TC291
<http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/687806/ISO_TC_291__Domestic_gas_cooking_appliances_.pdf?nodeid=17288199&vernum=-2>
.

I could write a book - Nikhil in Wonderland.

**********

Ron will be happy to learn how ignorant I am.

Or am I? I see the TC285 Business Plan says "Over 4 million premature
deaths annually are caused by exposure to smoke from open fires and
traditional cookstoves."

What baloney. What utter lie.

Premature deaths annually are NOT "caused". They are ALLOCATED, ATTRIBUTED.

Witches' Brew is not science. But then I am not a bloody scientist. Thy
Glory, God! Thou saved me from the sin of doing science for politics and
guided me to doing budgeting and drafting for policy. (My first college
degree is in Chemistry and Math.)

GoBbleDygook is Witches' Brew.

I apologize for my outrage, negativity, combativity. To stay quiet in the
face of "fake news" is a crime against humanity.

I knew about the Lima Consensus back four years ago. In a way, that is what
"science" could reasonably deliver -- definitions and measurements. Science
couldn't deliver on "usability", "contextual design", or anything that is
relevant to real cooks in real life.

But I didn't know the details of ISO shenanigans even as I railed against
the whole idea. As Cecil pointed out, ISO testing is "premature".

Besides, I have my own gripe against boiling water. I knew about the Water
Boiling Test back in 1983 - as a research assistant to Fernando Manibog
whose review paper on "improved stoves" I quoted from on this List a few
months ago.

My blood boils. It can't really be that I am all alone.

GACC has its own claims on Standards
<http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/standards/>, beginning with

 "Standards provide rigorous definitions and goals for emissions (relevant
for climate and health), efficiency, safety, durability, and quality."

I think this is a dubious claim. From whatever I understand and can
imagine, emission rates have little to do with "health" (except via HAPIt
and such fictions of what I call "the box paradigm" for people who want to
keep their heads in boxes of their own choice). Or for climate.

To point out the obvious, "health" is more than smoke and even then it's
exposures - and the duration and dosage profiles - that matter, not
emissions. And as for "climate", it's the atmospheric stocks that matter
(depending on what gobbledygook of climate model forecasts you choose to
believe in).

Oh, well. I must say I am aggrieved to discover the IWA Technical Content
<http://cleancookstoves.org/binary-data/DOCUMENT/file/000/000/6-1.pdf> that
lists Harold, Crispin, Xavier, James Robinson as "Workshop Contributors".

I had no idea. I thought that IWA referred to the Lima Consensus. I am
sorry; I can't recall how I got that impression.

I did know of Testing Protocols
<http://cleancookstoves.org/technology-and-fuels/testing/protocols.html> -
Developed Collaboratively by Alliance Partners. I have no idea of how this
"collaboration" was achieved.

*****

In Washington, "alliance" and "collaboration" are code words.

I see from ISO
<http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/687806/ISO_TC_285__Clean_cookstoves_and_clean_cooking_solutions_.pdf?nodeid=17164114&vernum=-2>
"As the work of ISO TC/285 is still in the early stages, thereare not
strong examples of governments or organizations requiring compliance with
this committee’s standards. Selected countries have shown an interest in
clean cookstoves national standards"

I am getting curiouser and curiouser. Whose interests does this TC really
serve?

>From what I can tell of its "Categories and concerns of relevant
stakeholders", I am cynical about the assertion

"Philantrophic foundations and bilateral and multilateral donors provide
grant and loans to support enterprises and programs in order to achieve
specific energy access, health, environment, or economic development goals"



I wonder how ISO was coaxed into this paradigm. The whole thing is spurious
quantification. To generate support for "Results Based" aid.

That is, to cook up "results" for "goals". I happen to know something about
how that is done. I see its usefulness in, say, grants for bednets or
sewage infrastructure.

For cooking by the poor? And biomass cookstoves at that? I am proud of my
cynicism. Anything can be sold in the name of "access, health, environment,
or economic development" goals; employing scientists to generate propaganda
is not a misdemeanor, it's a high crime.

Oh, well. I discovered ISO also has a TC290
<http://isotc.iso.org/livelink/livelink/fetch/2000/2122/687806/ISOTC290__Online_reputation_.pdf?nodeid=17671840&vernum=-2>
to investigate Online Reputation.

PREMATURE DEATH, DO NOT BE PROUD! :-)

More to come. I can't tell how much to bother with GACC gas. GACC seems to
be following some masters, puppeteers whose faces are hidden from us. I
can't blame GACC CEO.

Nikhil



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On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu> wrote:

> Stovers.
>
> Good to see practical usage of stove technology (broad sense of "stove").
>
> Where can we read or see about the technology and structure of the fish
> dryer?
>
> Congratulations to James Robinson for the results of his efforts.   And
> others?   Crispin?
>
> SNV website posted the article, and it clearly credits the US EPA for
> funding the demonstration FACILITY.
>
> visited the USAID <https://www.usaid.gov/>-funded fish smoker
> demonstration facility of the Central and Western Fishmonge
>
> SNV funded the research, evidently.
>
> Congratulations to everyone.
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072 <(309)%20452-7072>
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
> On 12/15/2016 5:41 AM, Harold Annegarn wrote:
>
> Dear Crispin, James, Samer, Nikhil
>
> Crispin, thanks for the update on the Ghanaian fish smoking project, and
> congratulations to James and Crispin for your work on this porject.
>
> However, according to the SNV Newsletter, the project was funded by US
> EPA? I was under the impression that it was a Dutch funded project?
>
> The news item further gives the impression that it was Administrator Gina
> McCarthy alone and unaided who saved the unwashed poor of Ghana from the
> unspeakable scourge of death, deforestation and death by smoke inhalation.
> Even Stalin's propagandists might have blushed with shame at this blatant
> misattribution of contribution from funders (SNV?) and the technical staff
> who made the technical innovation (One of whom appears in the picture but
> is not mentioned in favour of the visiting US dignitary.
>
> Jislaaik!!!@#$@#
>
> Harold
>
>
> Harold Annegarn
> Energy Institute
> Cape Peninsula University of Technology
> Mobile +27 (0)83 628 4210 <+27%2083%20628%204210>           Office +27
> hannegarn at gmail.com <hannegarn at outlook.com>
> hannegarn at outlook.com
>
> On 15 December 2016 at 12:10, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Friends
>>
>> 19 December is World Toilet Day, don't forget to thank yours.
>>
>> Also please see the article (photo of James Robinson) with the dried
>> fish. This article is on the innovative downdraft fish smoker and the
>> retrofit adaption of its air mixing chamber ‎to existing smokers.
>>
>> Tests of the fish by the food quality lab in Accra showed a reduction of
>> 99% in PAH(4) was possible without changing the fuel or construction
>> materials. This design is widely applicable throughout the world.
>>
>> Regards
>> Crispin
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