[Stoves] Now on-topic: Challenge to Ron to define service standard and goals for "better biomass stoves"

[Traveller]

Ron:

I am serious about raising a billion dollars for GACC. Including for
biomass stoves.

Sad to see that you are not. The Alliance needs new partners like Ivanka.
GACC needs to continue with Leo DeCaprio and Jose Andres if that is what it
takes to raise money. There's no hope for engineers without more money, I
am sure you will agree (because that is what I have seen argue a lot for -
more money.)

So far I thought the purpose of this List was to discuss ways of producing
- and successfully marketing (I imagine) BETTER BIOMASS STOVES. You now
want to restrict only to WOOD-FIRED COOKSTOVES?

I submit to you that you cannot move an inch toward better biomass stoves
without also looking at the competition (coal included) and defining your
terms - biomass and cookstoves.

With enough data characterizing fuel chemistry around the world, moisture
variability throughout seasons, foods that are being cooked with the
cookstoves.

Far too much money and time has been wasted on measuring and debating the
impacts of "improved stoves" projects.

I submit there is not an iota of gain from IHME/WHO GoBbleDygook.

Please define the service standard and the environmental objectives and
goals of "clean cookstoves" movement.

It's all in fuel chemistry, air chemistry and atmospheric chemistry.

Nikhil (with a chemistry degree)


On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Ronal W. Larson <rongretlarson at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Nikhil: cc list
>
> Can I suggest that you place additional  “off-topic” messages on some
> other list?  (I feel I just wasted a half-hour.)
>
> The answer to your last question would seem to be one of those you seem to
> most admire - the Trumps.
>
> Or what did I miss of importance to improving wood-fired cookstoves - the
> goal of this list?
>
> Ron
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2016, at 9:15 AM, Traveller <miata98 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Around town, there are rumors that Ivanka Trump, Donald's daughter, could
> be more significant than Hillary Clinton. (The election is on World Toilet
> Day according to Crispin.)
>
> Ivanka Trump could be the most powerful first lady ever
> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/16/ivanka-trump-could-be-the-most-powerful-first-lady-ever>
> , Washington Post 16Dec16.
>
> Ivanka loves cooking
> <http://celebritybabies.people.com/2016/07/21/ivanka-trump-raising-three-children-jared-kushner-exhausted/>,
> has put recipes
> <http://www.ivankatrump.com/recipes-broccoli-kugel-steamed-artichokes-chicken-salad-veal-marsala/>
> on her website, and says about her book Women Who Work
> <http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/women-who-work-ivanka-trump/1123884764?ean=9780735211322&st=PLA&sid=BNB_DRS_Core+Shopping+Books_00000000&2>,
> "We learn how to cook and how to code. We inspire our employees and our
> children. We innovate at our current jobs and start new businesses."
>
> She and Chelsea are friends
> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/you/article-3834181/First-daughters-fast-friends-unlikely-bond-Chelsea-Clinton-Ivanka-Trump.html>,
> so I am sure Hillary would just adopt Ivanka as the second daughter she
> didn't have.
>
> Above all, she arranged a meeting between The Donald and Al Gore, who
> could decide which way the Earth in the Balance
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_in_the_Balance> tips.
>
> South Lawn dinners with the Clintons and the Trumps is the way to go for
> UN Foundation, Inc. and Bill Hillary and Chelsea Clinton Foundation, Inc.
> I can devise a  $1 billion fund raising strategy just for high class
> marketing - Narendra Modi, Vladimir Putin, Dr. Kim and all, PLUS a $10
> billion investment fund for "clean cookstoves".
>
> Yup. The time has come. To elevate GACC to the next level.
>
> The White House kitchen
> <http://content.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1877168,00.html> wasn't
> always clean
> <https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/white-house-food-presidential-eating>.
> Maybe the next brand for GACC will be Global Alliance for Clean Kitchens
> and Homes.
>
> Now, where's my "finder's fee" for an even more glamorous Cooking
> Ambassador?
>
> Nikhil
>
>
> ---------
>
>
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