[Stoves] "Clean for health" (re: Paul)

[Traveller]

Paul:

I think it is laughable for any expert (including friends of mine) to
conclude that stoves and fuels that "meet Tier 3 for indoor emissions are
considered clean for health. "

I know you advised us to "not just pick on certain issues with which that
(sic) you disagree."

But this is not a matter of disagreement. It is an objection against
deceit. The whole paraphernalia of testing emission rates for boiling water
in labs (or field, for that matter) and projecting any individual or even
collective overall health consequences from those - via the "box paradigm"
- is naivete packaged in propaganda.

Am I sorry to say that? Not any more. Enough is enough.

For GACC to go ga ga over "the Alliance's objectives" is even more
laughable. The Alliance has no objective but to waste money and raise more
money.

Happy New Year, all. Time to make GACC history. At least in this
incarnation.

Cecil got it right -- this is all premature. I called it fiddling. Sandbox
for the infants.

Nikhil

PS: I am way behind in answering posts addressed to me or otherwise. I have
been trying to avoid negative tone. Thank you for putting up with me.


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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 22:51:54 -0600
> From: Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu>
> To: Stoves and biofuels network <Stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> Subject: [Stoves] GACC Progress Report for 2016
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> Stovers,
>
> I recommend that you go to this link and download the 2016 Progress
> Report of the GACC.   I believe it came out two months ago.  Some comments:
> http://cleancookstoves.org/resources/reports/2016progress.html
>
> 1.  It is a good report and worth reading.
>
> 2.  I don't think the report was mentioned on this Stoves Listserv
> until just recently, when it caught my eye. I recommend that the GACC
> and other organizations (ESMAP, Winrock, and many more) please be sure to
> send a note with links to this Listserv to be sure that we all see
> the reports, etc. as soon as they are released.  That is what HEDON does.
>
> 3.  From pages 6 and 7:
> > For this report, stoves and fuels that meet Tier 2 for efficiency
> are considered efficient and those that meet Tier 3 for indoor
> emissions are considered clean for health.



> AND  (sorry, the cut and paste gives a poor format in this email) C
> Cumulatively, an estimated 82 million stoves and fuels, including
> 53 million clean and/or efficient, have been distributed since 2010. The
> data also indicate that proportions of clean and efficient stoves and fuels
> are being distributed each year ?an encouraging trend that is critical to
> achieving the Alliance?s objectives.
>
> AND
> Figure 1 has a projection of reaching 250 million acceptable stoves by
> 2020.  That might be possible if major programs like India's 50 MILLION LPG
> stoves by 2020 and China's major governmental support both kick in with
> massive amounts of money.
>
> When we discuss the report, be sure to be clear about what is good,
> and not just pick on certain issues with which that you disagree.
>
> Paul
>
> --
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:  www.drtlud.com
>
>
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