[Stoves] Off-topic no longer, re: News from Colorado: 'Rolling Coal"

[Paul Anderson]

Nikhil,

Your message is based on playing with words, trying to make "Clean 
Cookstoves" into a silly term because there can be fuel issues.  Of 
course there are fuel issues and stove issues.  That does not make the 
topic silly.

If this was just silly stuff, I would not have spent 15 years of my life 
helping to bring TLUD stoves to the top of the solid biomass stoves.

If you  think that clean cookstoves are silly and not important, then 
you are writing to the wrong group of people.

Paul

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On 9/27/2016 9:13 AM, Traveller wrote:
> Teddy:
>
> Thank you. That news item has great relevance to this list.
>
> There are no "clean car engines" per se; their alleged cleanness or 
> "emission rates" depend on fuel quality.
>
> Which is why "Clean Cookstoves" - global alliances or blogal 
> dalliances - is a silly term.
>
> There are no "clean cookstoves" per se; only in combination with 
> fuels, and in the context of operating practices and local environment 
> (ventilation, wind, ambient air quality, other sources of emissions 
> ranging from food and smoking to open waste.)
>
> The scientist collective at the ISO 2012 IWA on cookstoves (Guidelines 
> for evaluating cookstove performance 
> <https://www.iso.org/obp/ui/#iso:std:iso:iwa:11:ed-1:v1:en>)
>
> ""recognizes that the quality and type of fuel used by a testing 
> centre may impact the emissions of a cookstove. Because of that, the 
> International Workshop on Cookstoves recommends that testing centres 
> document the key physical and operational characteristics (e.g. fuel, 
> moisture content, pot size and shape) of the system."
>
> Whatever little I know suggests that temperatures and air flows 
> determine the ratio and composition of PICs and that at relatively low 
> temperatures and irregular air flows, fuel chemistry plays a critical 
> role. But there's nothing here about chemical composition.
>
> Is it any wonder folks go mumbling about "solid fuels", "dirty fuels"? 
> (More on that later.)
>
> WHO/GBD claims on the "global dataset for cooking fuel use" are bubbly 
> champagne - or dope - served up to minors. (Remember the song 
> "Goodnight, farewell" in Sound of Music where Liesel asks for her 
> first taste of champagne?)
>
> Let me put it bluntly - WHO has manufactured a "global emergency" 
> based on non-existent data and questionable intelligence. (Burning 
> Opportunity 
> <http://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/10665/204717/1/9789241565233_eng.pdf>, 
> marketing the GBD adventure of killing by assumption as a global 
> health emergency 
> <http://www.ccacoalition.org/en/news/new-who-report-household-air-pollution-driving-global-health-emergency>) 
>
>
> Clean Cookstoves are dirty business.
>
> I for one do not believe one needs convincing evidence to act on 
> reducing pollution exposures of vulnerable populations. The challenge 
> is not compiling reams and reams of dubious data and faulty forecasts 
> - of YLD and YLL - but to please the cooks.
>
> Ron here thinks I have soured on science. Living in Washington, I am 
> familiar with the politics of science and the science of politics. 
> What is going on is corrupting intelligence. There is an emergency in 
> "global health", namely, it has little to do with individual health.
>
> Nikhil
>
>
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> On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Cookswell Jikos 
> <cookswelljikos at gmail.com <mailto:cookswelljikos at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     What a story....similar to this gem is a story in todays newspaper
>     regarding air pollution from bad fuel rejected by the EU and
>     dumped in the African market -
>
>     ''The high-sulphur fuels also have a knock-on effect, rapidly
>     destroying emission-reducing technologies in vehicles, according
>     to Rob de Jong, the head of the UNEP transport programme. “So if
>     you buy a vehicle that’s a couple of years old and import it into
>     some of the African countries, the technology in there – sensors
>     and filters – all gets spoilt, and these cars, which are
>     potentially very clean, are destroyed in a couple of tanks, and
>     for the next 20 years will be belching smoke. It’s important to
>     understand the tragedy of this,” he said. This in turn increases
>     emissions of fine particulate matter, which can lodge deep in the
>     lungs, causing cancers and other health problems.
>     Read more at:
>     http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000217548/dirty-diesel-rejected-in-europe-exported-to-africa
>     <http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/article/2000217548/dirty-diesel-rejected-in-europe-exported-to-africa>''
>
>
>     I certainly hope something like this cannot happen with LPG
>     cooking gas or that all those generators in Lagos and Accra are
>     not pumping smoke into the kitchens with induction stoves :(
>
>     Teddy
>
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