[Stoves] stove AND 6-BOX SYSTEM

Paul Anderson psanders at ilstu.edu
Tue Dec 12 10:09:31 MST 2017


Frank,

To know the actually power as a calculate number MIGHT not be so 
important. But conversations and comparisons need to be in the right 
ballpark about how pwerdul a stove is.

In the case of the "tea-test", the info in the 6 boxes needs to be the 
same except for one variable that is being studied.   And there will be 
some level of fire power that is to be held constant (unless that is the 
variable being studied).  Also, when another variable is changed, the 
impact might be be seen in the "power level" that is expressed a how 
much faster or slower the pot came to boil (therefore the use of the 
closk/watch.).

Paul

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On 12/11/2017 11:58 PM, Frank Shields wrote:
>
> Very funny Paul.
>
> I don't think knowing the thermal power is at all important. Ask the 
> s/he using the stove what thermal power they want. What?!  and I have 
> always wondered if changing the thickness of the pot is best to 
> control the heat. Thick walled pot and more seconds to heat the task. 
> But certainly no number is needed nor possible.
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Frank
>
>
>
> On 12/11/17 9:23 PM, Paul Anderson wrote:
>> Frank,
>>
>> Your USE of the 6-box system is the clearest explanation that I have 
>> read.   Your comments put it into practical perspective.
>>
>> Philip Lloyd's comment about wanting to know the thermal power is 
>> correct.   And you can overcome that with a watch that shows 
>> seconds.   Record the time-to-boil.   Record it in Box 5 or 6, right?
>>
>> And it certainly could be useful for Michael's needs.  Or for 
>> teaching science under a tree in rural Africa.
>>
>> **** joke:  Michael teaches at the college.   but if he was studying 
>> there, this could become known as    student's tea-test     (Ouch!) ***
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Website:www.drtlud.com
>> On 12/11/2017 10:13 PM, Frank Shields wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Michael, Stovers;
>>>
>>> This is a good example where the 6-Box system would be useful.
>>>
>>> Set up the system so it makes good tea. The process is to control 
>>> the variables and modify one at a time to improve the process. There 
>>> are lots of steps you can do but would take some time, test methods 
>>> and a little equipment. All simple but not good at this time. Once 
>>> you have a good fuel, good technique, and can produce a good cup of 
>>> tea I suggest the following:
>>>
>>> Box-1) Observe the fuel for size, moisture, cleanliness etc.
>>>
>>> Box - 2: Record the process loading the combustion chamber.
>>>
>>> Box- 3: Record the combustion chamber; stove model etc.
>>>
>>> Box-4: Establish info regarding the utensils used; metal, size, 
>>> heavy-light etc.
>>>
>>> Box-5: Record the process; stirring, amount of water, amount of tea, 
>>> sugar added etc.
>>>
>>> Box-6: Determine a good repeatable Completion Point. Perhaps water 
>>> just starts to boil or i can hold my hand on the side of the pot for 
>>> just one second.
>>>
>>> You need to know what an improvement would look like for you. 
>>> Quicker tea but not care of amount of fuel. Save on fuel, walk away 
>>> with less manipulation, air quality, amount of char left, quality of 
>>> char produced, etc. Whats important is what the end user decides 
>>> important.
>>>
>>>
>>> Now all steps are controlled and should be repeatable. You can 
>>> change one Box at a time and see if that improves the process. Use 
>>> dryer wood or stir more frequently. Use a lighter pot or less water. 
>>> Add wood more frequent in smaller quantities - try to get the best 
>>> conditions.
>>>
>>> Because no-one else is doing the same system you will not be able to 
>>> compare to other systems. But you might be able to improve your own. 
>>> And there are lots of measurements for the fuel that can be made 
>>> (not described here) but use simple test methods and no need for a 
>>> real lab. Perhaps just some basic equipment.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> Gabilan Laboratory
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/11/17 6:24 PM, Michael N Trevor wrote:
>>>> Lets look at this another way.
>>>> NO lab,
>>>> NO equipment
>>>> How do I test?
>>>> I thinking how well it cooks my tea is a good tool
>>>>
>>
>>
>>
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