[Stoves] Fwd: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics of negative emissions

Paul Anderson psanders at ilstu.edu
Sun Dec 24 15:27:57 CST 2017


Crispin,

My memory of that discussion is vague.  And I do not have active 
contacts in Indonesia.   Could you please try to get some updated info 
about thoae stoves and the fuel usage and the char production and the 
destination of that char?


Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
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On 12/24/2017 10:43 AM, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott wrote:
>
> Dear Paul
>
> Char as a product with value:
>
> Do you remember me talking about how the candle nut shells made really 
> strong charcoal that was eminently shippable over long distances? It 
> was about the islands NE of Java where there are plenty of candle nut 
> shells and not much wood, or not as much wood. Dr Nurhuda introduced 
> (through government as I recall) some TLUD gasifiers and made very 
> good quality charcoal from those shells. The people were happy with 
> the whole idea.
>
> It was about 2013 or 14. Do you remember? That is something that 
> should be pursued because the object lesson will be a good one. Candle 
> nuts will continue to be an important crop, more in the future than 
> now, and they are a really good fuel if the chamber is sized 
> appropriately. The result is a physically strong half-shell that has 
> good properties as a fuel.
>
> As charcoal becomes more popular as an urban fuel, particularly for 
> food selling businesses, like those on pedal-powered three-wheelers, 
> there is a ready market.
>
> Regards
> Crispin
>
> **
>
> Ron and Julien,
>
> Good that your did the monetary exchange rates and the conversion from 
> C to CO2e to get the cost per ton.   That needs to be done with the 
> raw numbers for the Deganga TLUD project in India.   I will ask the 
> project implementer to make those calculations and sent them to me.
>
> We need to build the case for the value of the char from TLUD 
> stoves.   Whether sold to be burned or to be used as biochar is not 
> the issue.
>
> I have not heard of other TLUD projects with selling of the charcoal 
> made in TLUDs.   Maybe Prime has an example???
>
> Paul
>
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
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> On 12/23/2017 1:01 AM, Ronal W. Larson wrote:
>
>     Stoves List:  (many on this list are also biochar list members -
>     so apologies for sending this twice.)
>
>     I could have used many ways to make biochar as I supported a
>     French CDR (carbon dioxide removal) person, who objected to the
>     way 3 organizers of a future CDR conference were describing all
>     CDR approaches as “controversial".  I chose Dr.  Julien’s message
>     to this list because I think it really well proves the beauty of
>     char-making stoves, while also making a real positive statement
>     about both biochar’s CDR’s potential.  So many thanks to Julien
>     for his message a few weeks ago.
>
>     i just looked up the value of  a “tk” = Taka, which is 1.2 cents.
>      So the woman quoted below made $9.00 in a “few months” just in
>     charcoal - but also was buying less wood.  And someone else was
>     making money off increased soil productivity and less expense for
>     fertilizer.  The price for her char was (at 1000 times 12 cents)
>     $120/tonne char.  This is about $40 tonne CO2 - and many CDR
>     approaches are bragging they can get down to $100/tonne CO2.
>
>     Anyone on this list see why biochar (and char-making stoves)
>     should be “controversial?   (This thread being about CDR
>     controversiality.)
>
>     Ron
>
>
>
>         Begin forwarded message:
>
>         *From: *"Ronal W. Larson" <rongretlarson at comcast.net
>         <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
>
>         *Subject: Fwd: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics of
>         negative emissions*
>
>         *Date: *December 22, 2017 at 11:34:52 PM MST
>
>         *To: *Biochar <biochar at yahoogroups.com
>         <mailto:biochar at yahoogroups.com>>
>
>         List:
>
>         I suggest below that biochar proponents *_not_* attend a
>         meeting where biochar will certainly be discussed.  But if
>         anyone can attend this meeting (time and place TBD),  you
>         might have a very interesting time.  I do of course hope some
>         list member will be able to submit an abstract per
>         instructions at
>         https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270
>         <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnomadit.co.uk%2Feasst%2Feasst2018%2Fconferencesuite.php%2Fpanels%2F6270&data=02%7C01%7C%7C14287bfb6be541ddb2b108d54a86b89e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636496864832447359&sdata=SKnOlCwtFeSSJljGcgp265ZnCFRK4z7RjS3UE7zkRcw%3D&reserved=0>
>
>         Ron
>
>
>
>             Begin forwarded message:
>
>             *From: *"Ronal W. Larson" <rongretlarson at comcast.net
>             <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
>
>             *Subject: Re: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics
>             of negative emissions*
>
>             *Date: *December 22, 2017 at 11:22:16 PM MST
>
>             *To: *Renaud de RICHTER <renaud.derichter at gmail.com
>             <mailto:renaud.derichter at gmail.com>>, Carbon Dioxide
>             Removal <CarbonDioxideRemoval at googlegroups.com
>             <mailto:CarbonDioxideRemoval at googlegroups.com>>
>
>             *Cc: *n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk
>             <mailto:n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk>,
>             rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk
>             <mailto:rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk>,
>             d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk
>             <mailto:d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk>, RAU greg
>             <ghrau at sbcglobal.net <mailto:ghrau at sbcglobal.net>>
>
>             Dr.  de Richter and CDR list
>
>             1. Thanks for your contribution - adding the word “some”.
>              I like your emphasis on methane and N2O removal via solar
>             towers;  biochar can do some of the same.
>
>             2.  Being active on the biochar side of CDR, I was very
>             pleased to hear this past month of a successful biochar
>             operation in a report on a “stoves” list by Dr. Julien
>             Winter.  His Bangladesh biochar organization’s website had
>             two articles on a new stove type that both used less wood
>             and produced about 20% charcoal, which is being placed in
>             soil as biochar.  The articles and a brief excerpt from
>             each are:
>
>             a.  One and a half years ago:
>               http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf
>             <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biochar-bangladesh.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F02%2F2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C14287bfb6be541ddb2b108d54a86b89e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636496864832447359&sdata=4QN14J46s0spY7UqynWZRq8egblmbmpRJZg5kiKcRi8%3D&reserved=0>
>
>             /If one household burning 3kg of wood per day produced
>             0.6kg of biochar per day, they would have 18kg of biochar
>             per month. For a village of 500 households, that could
>             amount to 108,000 kg biochar per year. Across the
>             landscape, the people of Bangladesh could become the
>             World’s largest per capita sequesters of carbon. This is,
>             as a by-product of cooking without cutting any additional
>             forest. /
>
>             b.   One year ago:
>              http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf
>             <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biochar-bangladesh.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F02%2F2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf&data=02%7C01%7C%7C14287bfb6be541ddb2b108d54a86b89e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636496864832447359&sdata=2Fin0KW45wS1d2CtcfHXD0WPMB7e4YsnlZcy9l9r5qA%3D&reserved=0>
>
>             /In Manikganj, Monkhusi Halder has been using them for a
>             few months and she sells the bio-char to farmers as
>             fertiliser, making some extra cash along with dinner. “I
>             have been using this stove for the last few months and
>             sold 75kgs of bio-char for Tk10 per kg, reducing the cost
>             of fuel,” Monkhusi told the Dhaka Tribune while using her
>             Akha stove. Khorshed Ali, a farmer in Manikganj, was
>             visibly excited about the new bio-char fertiliser./
>
>             These articles are not emphasizing CDR - but there is zero
>             conflict with soil improvements, increased food production
>             and, income generation.  And trivial investment- we heard
>             the stoves cost about $20.
>
>             3.    At
>              http://www.biochar-international.org/network/communities
>             <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.biochar-international.org%2Fnetwork%2Fcommunities&data=02%7C01%7C%7C14287bfb6be541ddb2b108d54a86b89e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636496864832447359&sdata=05xKGawtfAa9sZrcg%2F5MS%2BjtsgGv9IouQ9qkxCHOxEY%3D&reserved=0>
>             you can see the names of more than 50 similar regional
>             biochar groups.   About 10 years ago, there was only IBI,
>             the International Biochar Initiative  (see same site for
>             its 10-year history) .  Does any other CDR approach have
>             10% as much global grassroots CDR support?   What is the
>              evidence that biochar is “deeply controversial”?  I don’t
>             believe China is finding the subject controversial;  the
>             IBI site describes a very aggressive 5-year plan that is
>             well along.  China is clearly the world biochar leader -
>             and the IBI headquarters has been moved there.
>
>             4.  I now find it difficult to encourage any biochar
>             supporter to attend this meeting.  Pity - as we need more
>             multi-CDR meetings - if the discussion is not pre-ordained
>             to prove universal “controversiality”.
>
>             Ron
>
>                 On Dec 22, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Renaud de RICHTER
>                 <renaud.derichter at gmail.com
>                 <mailto:renaud.derichter at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>                 Does not start very friendly:
>
>                 ... /Much like their taxonomic cousins, geoengineering
>                 by reflecting sunlight back into space, negative
>                 emissions ideas are also deeply controversial,
>                 potentially propping up carbon capitalism, making
>                 sweeping changes to land-use and posing significant
>                 environmental risks./ ...
>
>                 Why not adding the word "*/some/*" just before "...
>                 /negative emissions ideas are also deeply
>                 controversial,..."/
>
>
>                 Nils, Rob & Duncan, there are many NETs that are not
>                 controversial, but are just not yet well known nor
>                 discussed.
>
>                 Bw, and Season's Greetings!
>
>                 2017-12-22 20:31 GMT+01:00 Greg Rau
>                 <ghrau at sbcglobal.net <mailto:ghrau at sbcglobal.net>>:
>
>
>
>                         Dear all,
>
>                         We invite you to submit proposals for papers
>                         to our open panel
>
>                         *The politics of negative emissions *
>
>                         At /Meetings – Making Science, Technology and
>                         Society together/, EASST2018 Conference,
>                         Lancaster, UK, 25-28 July 2018 -
>                         https://easst2018.easst.net/
>                         <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Feasst2018.easst.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7C%7C14287bfb6be541ddb2b108d54a86b89e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636496864832447359&sdata=xVXtRM8Xk7PISIwPE19aVBfM%2FPZekcRJ%2F%2FJkavoA57o%3D&reserved=0>
>
>                         Convenors:
>                         Nils Markusson (Lancaster University)
>                         n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk
>                         <mailto:n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk>
>                         Rob Bellamy (University of Oxford)
>                         rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk
>                         <mailto:rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk>
>                         Duncan McLaren (Lancaster University)
>                         d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk
>                         <mailto:d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk>
>
>                         The Paris Agreement on climate change has set
>                         out global commitments to keeping global
>                         warming well below 2 °C above preindustrial
>                         levels and to aim for limiting the rise to 1.5
>                         °C. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
>                         Change has concluded that meeting these
>                         targets is possible – but nearly all of their
>                         scenarios rely on the extensive deployment of
>                         large-scale technologies that remove
>                         greenhouse gases from the atmosphere but do
>                         not currently exist (as complete
>                         socio-technical systems). Critics have argued
>                         that assumptions about when such ‘negative
>                         emissions’ technologies might be ready and how
>                         they might be deployed at an impactful scale
>                         are desperately optimistic.
>
>                         Much like their taxonomic cousins,
>                         geoengineering by reflecting sunlight back
>                         into space, negative emissions ideas are also
>                         deeply controversial, potentially propping up
>                         carbon capitalism, making sweeping changes to
>                         land-use and posing significant environmental
>                         risks. This panel seeks to explore the
>                         politics of these prospective negative
>                         emissions technologies and what they imply for
>                         our changing relationship with nature in the
>                         age of the Anthropocene. We ask: what
>                         political imaginaries and interests are
>                         co-produced with negative emissions ideas in
>                         climate models, experiments and policies? How
>                         might research, development and deployment of
>                         carbon removal be governed responsibly where
>                         power relations and socio-technical systems
>                         are co-evolving? What are the implications for
>                         power, knowledge and politics of (discursive)
>                         decoupling of carbon removal from other forms
>                         of geoengineering? How does negative emissions
>                         politics compare to other technoscientific
>                         politics? What should our roles as STS
>                         scholars be when engaging with negative emissions?
>
>                         To submit a paper please go to
>                         https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270
>                         <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnomadit.co.uk%2Feasst%2Feasst2018%2Fconferencesuite.php%2Fpanels%2F6270&data=02%7C01%7C%7C14287bfb6be541ddb2b108d54a86b89e%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636496864832447359&sdata=SKnOlCwtFeSSJljGcgp265ZnCFRK4z7RjS3UE7zkRcw%3D&reserved=0>
>                         The call for papers closes at midnight CET on
>                         14 February, 2018.
>
>
>
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