[Stoves] GLASS for stoves .

Mon Dec 25 20:45:00 CST 2017

Dear Ih Cheng:

There are large numbers of TLUDs available with chimneys that work great
indoors (if venting emissions out doors).  I just returned from Puerto
Rico's Southeast coast distributing donated SilverFire Hunter stoves
(chimney TLUD), that numerous cooks that loss homes and belongings to
Hurricane Maria (*winds to 282 KMH*).  These folks were delighted due to
lack of smoke.  The only other option was to spend $300 USD per month for
gas that they did not have.  Free biomass was available everywhere after
Irma, Jose, & Maria.  Stove burning in all photos below.  In addition to
loosing roofs & belongings, 2 meters of seawater ran through both bottom
properties.

Regards,  Todd Albi SilverFire

On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 6:29 PM, lh cheng <lhkind at gmail.com> wrote:

> TLUD stove is useless inside house, every housewife should avoid it like
> avoid a bomb, and making char with cooking stove is a joke. It will never
> spread.
> maybe I will explain it later. It is very clear to me.
>
> Happy holiday every dear stover
>
> 2017-12-25 10:11 GMT+08:00 lh cheng <lhkind at gmail.com>:
>
>> Dear Crispin,
>> that is a minor problem, I know the answer. thank you for your
>> introduction about Franklin stove, I am a little surprised by this man, and
>> curious about this stove.
>>
>> 2017-12-25 10:03 GMT+08:00 Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
>> crispinpigott at outlook.com>:
>>
>>> Dear LH
>>>
>>> That is the theory, but like aluminum, if the processing involves a huge
>>> amount of energy, ‎you are buying energy with a little glass thrown in.
>>>
>>> Even expensive material is really the cost of the energy needed to get
>>> it. Unless there is a patent. Good cancer medicine is $350 per pill. One
>>> per day for five year$.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Crispin
>>> *From: *lh cheng
>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 24, 2017 20:40
>>> *To: *Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> *Reply To: *Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>> *Subject: *Re: [Stoves] GLASS for stoves .
>>>
>>> the free material won't change the downside price trend if widely used.
>>> on the contrary, it speed up that trend. because widely using make price
>>> nearer to marginal cost, which is near zero, when the material is free.
>>> Every HI-Tech product have the same trend, like CPU, cell phone, mainly
>>> made from sand. Because the number of users diluted the initial R&D and
>>> equipment investment, which is the main cost.
>>>
>>> 2017-12-24 18:02 GMT+08:00 Andrew Heggie <aj.heggie at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 December 2017 at 01:51, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
>>>> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> Shoes in North America and Europe often have a large glass front
>>>>> window because fires are social. 'firelight' and all that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes that's my feeling too
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In Africa people are nervous and uncomfortable if they have a stove
>>>>> without a visible fire. In Namibia we had to ensure the cooking stove had a
>>>>> visible fire or the San people wouldn't use it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They won't be keen on electric cooking then?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The cost of the glass is in the preparation and production. The
>>>>> materials are nearly free so I think the cost will remain high. Unless
>>>>> there is a miracle formulation.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd guess this is so, normal glass is  just silica sand and a bit of
>>>> lime to decrease the fusion temperature.
>>>>
>>>> Borosilicate glass, Pyrex brand here in UK , has a much higher melting
>>>> point so more expensive, also lower coefficient of expansion, so shock
>>>> heating or cooling don't build up internal stress.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what ceramic glass is nor why ordinary glass is not
>>>> considered a ceramic.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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