[Stoves] GLASS for stoves .

Tue Dec 26 02:23:00 CST 2017

Thank you Todd,
The cases you mentioned is good, outdoor use, when indoor,then long chimney
directing exhaust gas to outside of house. That's nice.
Glass should be included in the stove, that would be even better, no black
box burning.

2017-12-26 10:45 GMT+08:00 Todd Albi <todd.r.albi at gmail.com>:

> Dear Ih Cheng:
>
> There are large numbers of TLUDs available with chimneys that work great
> indoors (if venting emissions out doors).  I just returned from Puerto
> Rico's Southeast coast distributing donated SilverFire Hunter stoves
> (chimney TLUD), that numerous cooks that loss homes and belongings to
> Hurricane Maria (*winds to 282 KMH*).  These folks were delighted due to
> lack of smoke.  The only other option was to spend $300 USD per month for
> gas that they did not have.  Free biomass was available everywhere after
> Irma, Jose, & Maria.  Stove burning in all photos below.  In addition to
> loosing roofs & belongings, 2 meters of seawater ran through both bottom
> properties.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,  Todd Albi SilverFire
>
> On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 6:29 PM, lh cheng <lhkind at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> TLUD stove is useless inside house, every housewife should avoid it like
>> avoid a bomb, and making char with cooking stove is a joke. It will never
>> spread.
>> maybe I will explain it later. It is very clear to me.
>>
>> Happy holiday every dear stover
>>
>> 2017-12-25 10:11 GMT+08:00 lh cheng <lhkind at gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Dear Crispin,
>>> that is a minor problem, I know the answer. thank you for your
>>> introduction about Franklin stove, I am a little surprised by this man, and
>>> curious about this stove.
>>>
>>> 2017-12-25 10:03 GMT+08:00 Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
>>> crispinpigott at outlook.com>:
>>>
>>>> Dear LH
>>>>
>>>> That is the theory, but like aluminum, if the processing involves a
>>>> huge amount of energy, ‎you are buying energy with a little glass thrown
>>>> in.
>>>>
>>>> Even expensive material is really the cost of the energy needed to get
>>>> it. Unless there is a patent. Good cancer medicine is $350 per pill. One
>>>> per day for five year$.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>> Crispin
>>>> *From: *lh cheng
>>>> *Sent: *Sunday, December 24, 2017 20:40
>>>> *To: *Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>>> *Reply To: *Discussion of biomass cooking stoves
>>>> *Subject: *Re: [Stoves] GLASS for stoves .
>>>>
>>>> the free material won't change the downside price trend if widely used.
>>>> on the contrary, it speed up that trend. because widely using make price
>>>> nearer to marginal cost, which is near zero, when the material is free.
>>>> Every HI-Tech product have the same trend, like CPU, cell phone, mainly
>>>> made from sand. Because the number of users diluted the initial R&D and
>>>> equipment investment, which is the main cost.
>>>>
>>>> 2017-12-24 18:02 GMT+08:00 Andrew Heggie <aj.heggie at gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 December 2017 at 01:51, Crispin Pemberton-Pigott <
>>>>> crispinpigott at outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> Shoes in North America and Europe often have a large glass front
>>>>>> window because fires are social. 'firelight' and all that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that's my feeling too
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Africa people are nervous and uncomfortable if they have a stove
>>>>>> without a visible fire. In Namibia we had to ensure the cooking stove had a
>>>>>> visible fire or the San people wouldn't use it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They won't be keen on electric cooking then?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The cost of the glass is in the preparation and production. The
>>>>>> materials are nearly free so I think the cost will remain high. Unless
>>>>>> there is a miracle formulation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd guess this is so, normal glass is  just silica sand and a bit of
>>>>> lime to decrease the fusion temperature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Borosilicate glass, Pyrex brand here in UK , has a much higher melting
>>>>> point so more expensive, also lower coefficient of expansion, so shock
>>>>> heating or cooling don't build up internal stress.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know what ceramic glass is nor why ordinary glass is not
>>>>> considered a ceramic.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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