[Stoves] Fwd: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics of negative emissions
Paul Anderson
psanders at ilstu.edu
Tue Dec 26 11:12:34 CST 2017
Jorund,
Interesting comment that might open some door in the future. Factors
include the number of stoves and their concentration that would make
char collection (buy-back) financially viable. Do you know what the
people do with the char now? Sorry, no funding source is in view at
this time.
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 12/25/2017 6:30 PM, Jorund Buen wrote:
> Dear all,
> We mentioned the potential for charcoal gathering&selling in our
> proposal in 2012 or 2013 to USAID/Conservancy International for a
> stove distribution project in North Sumatra. The project was funded,
> and formed the basis for our Indonesia distribution today, but that
> specific idea wasn’t picked up. I’d be interested in piloting it, if
> the context (and, yes, funding) is right.
>
> Kind regards
> Jorund Buen
> CEO
> Mobile/WhatsApp: +47 932 83 350
> Skype: jorundb1
> www.primestoves.com <http://www.primestoves.com>
>
> 24. des. 2017 kl. 05:25 skrev Paul Anderson <psanders at ilstu.edu
> <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>>:
>
>> Ron and Julien,
>>
>> Good that your did the monetary exchange rates and the conversion
>> from C to CO2e to get the cost per ton. That needs to be done with
>> the raw numbers for the Deganga TLUD project in India. I will ask
>> the project implementer to make those calculations and sent them to me.
>>
>> We need to build the case for the value of the char from TLUD
>> stoves. Whether sold to be burned or to be used as biochar is not
>> the issue.
>>
>> I have not heard of other TLUD projects with selling of the charcoal
>> made in TLUDs. Maybe Prime has an example???
>>
>> Paul
>> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
>> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu
>> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
>> Website:www.drtlud.com
>> On 12/23/2017 1:01 AM, Ronal W. Larson wrote:
>>> Stoves List: (many on this list are also biochar list members - so
>>> apologies for sending this twice.)
>>>
>>> I could have used many ways to make biochar as I supported a French
>>> CDR (carbon dioxide removal) person, who objected to the way 3
>>> organizers of a future CDR conference were describing all CDR
>>> approaches as “controversial". I chose Dr. Julien’s message to
>>> this list because I think it really well proves the beauty of
>>> char-making stoves, while also making a real positive statement
>>> about both biochar’s CDR’s potential. So many thanks to Julien for
>>> his message a few weeks ago.
>>>
>>> i just looked up the value of a “tk” = Taka, which is 1.2 cents.
>>> So the woman quoted below made $9.00 in a “few months” just in
>>> charcoal - but also was buying less wood. And someone else was
>>> making money off increased soil productivity and less expense for
>>> fertilizer. The price for her char was (at 1000 times 12 cents)
>>> $120/tonne char. This is about $40 tonne CO2 - and many CDR
>>> approaches are bragging they can get down to $100/tonne CO2.
>>>
>>> Anyone on this list see why biochar (and char-making stoves) should
>>> be “controversial? (This thread being about CDR controversiality.)
>>>
>>> Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>
>>>> *From: *"Ronal W. Larson" <rongretlarson at comcast.net
>>>> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
>>>> *Subject: **Fwd: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics of
>>>> negative emissions*
>>>> *Date: *December 22, 2017 at 11:34:52 PM MST
>>>> *To: *Biochar <biochar at yahoogroups.com
>>>> <mailto:biochar at yahoogroups.com>>
>>>>
>>>> List:
>>>>
>>>> I suggest below that biochar proponents _*not*_ attend a meeting
>>>> where biochar will certainly be discussed. But if anyone can
>>>> attend this meeting (time and place TBD), you might have a very
>>>> interesting time. I do of course hope some list member will be
>>>> able to submit an abstract per instructions at
>>>> https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>>>
>>>>> *From: *"Ronal W. Larson" <rongretlarson at comcast.net
>>>>> <mailto:rongretlarson at comcast.net>>
>>>>> *Subject: **Re: [CDR] [geo] EASST 2018 - CfP - The politics of
>>>>> negative emissions*
>>>>> *Date: *December 22, 2017 at 11:22:16 PM MST
>>>>> *To: *Renaud de RICHTER <renaud.derichter at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:renaud.derichter at gmail.com>>, Carbon Dioxide Removal
>>>>> <CarbonDioxideRemoval at googlegroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:CarbonDioxideRemoval at googlegroups.com>>
>>>>> *Cc: *n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk>, rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk>, d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk
>>>>> <mailto:d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk>, RAU greg <ghrau at sbcglobal.net
>>>>> <mailto:ghrau at sbcglobal.net>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr. de Richter and CDR list
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Thanks for your contribution - adding the word “some”. I like
>>>>> your emphasis on methane and N2O removal via solar towers;
>>>>> biochar can do some of the same.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Being active on the biochar side of CDR, I was very pleased to
>>>>> hear this past month of a successful biochar operation in a report
>>>>> on a “stoves” list by Dr. Julien Winter. His Bangladesh biochar
>>>>> organization’s website had two articles on a new stove type that
>>>>> both used less wood and produced about 20% charcoal, which is
>>>>> being placed in soil as biochar. The articles and a brief excerpt
>>>>> from each are:
>>>>>
>>>>> a. One and a half years ago:
>>>>> http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf
>>>>> <http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_06_03_TheNewNation.pdf>
>>>>> /If one household burning 3kg of wood per day produced 0.6kg of
>>>>> biochar per day, they would have 18kg of biochar per month. For a
>>>>> village of 500 households, that could amount to 108,000 kg biochar
>>>>> per year. Across the landscape, the people of Bangladesh could
>>>>> become the World’s largest per capita sequesters of carbon. This
>>>>> is, as a by-product of cooking without cutting any additional
>>>>> forest. /
>>>>>
>>>>> b. One year ago:
>>>>> http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf
>>>>> <http://www.biochar-bangladesh.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2016_12_11_DhakaTribune_Akha.pdf>
>>>>> /In Manikganj, Monkhusi Halder has been using them for a few
>>>>> months and she sells the bio-char to farmers as fertiliser, making
>>>>> some extra cash along with dinner. “I have been using this stove
>>>>> for the last few months and sold 75kgs of bio-char for Tk10 per
>>>>> kg, reducing the cost of fuel,” Monkhusi told the Dhaka Tribune
>>>>> while using her Akha stove. Khorshed Ali, a farmer in Manikganj,
>>>>> was visibly excited about the new bio-char fertiliser./
>>>>>
>>>>> These articles are not emphasizing CDR - but there is zero
>>>>> conflict with soil improvements, increased food production and,
>>>>> income generation. And trivial investment- we heard the stoves
>>>>> cost about $20.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. At http://www.biochar-international.org/network/communities
>>>>> <http://www.biochar-international.org/network/communities> you can
>>>>> see the names of more than 50 similar regional biochar groups.
>>>>> About 10 years ago, there was only IBI, the International Biochar
>>>>> Initiative (see same site for its 10-year history) . Does any
>>>>> other CDR approach have 10% as much global grassroots CDR support?
>>>>> What is the evidence that biochar is “deeply controversial”? I
>>>>> don’t believe China is finding the subject controversial; the IBI
>>>>> site describes a very aggressive 5-year plan that is well along.
>>>>> China is clearly the world biochar leader - and the IBI
>>>>> headquarters has been moved there.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4. I now find it difficult to encourage any biochar supporter to
>>>>> attend this meeting. Pity - as we need more multi-CDR meetings -
>>>>> if the discussion is not pre-ordained to prove universal
>>>>> “controversiality”.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Dec 22, 2017, at 1:10 PM, Renaud de RICHTER
>>>>>> <renaud.derichter at gmail.com <mailto:renaud.derichter at gmail.com>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does not start very friendly:
>>>>>> ... /Much like their taxonomic cousins, geoengineering by
>>>>>> reflecting sunlight back into space, negative emissions ideas are
>>>>>> also deeply controversial, potentially propping up carbon
>>>>>> capitalism, making sweeping changes to land-use and posing
>>>>>> significant environmental risks./ ...
>>>>>> Why not adding the word "/*some*/" just before "... /negative
>>>>>> emissions ideas are //also deeply controversial,..."/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nils, Rob & Duncan, there are many NETs that are not
>>>>>> controversial, but are just not yet well known nor discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bw, and Season's Greetings!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2017-12-22 20:31 GMT+01:00 Greg Rau <ghrau at sbcglobal.net
>>>>>> <mailto:ghrau at sbcglobal.net>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We invite you to submit proposals for papers to our open panel
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *The politics of negative emissions***
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At /Meetings – Making Science, Technology and Society
>>>>>>> together/, EASST2018 Conference, Lancaster, UK, 25-28 July
>>>>>>> 2018 - https://easst2018.easst.net/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Convenors:
>>>>>>> Nils Markusson (Lancaster University)
>>>>>>> n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk <mailto:n.markusson at lancaster.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> Rob Bellamy (University of Oxford)
>>>>>>> rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk <mailto:rob.bellamy at insis.ox.ac.uk>
>>>>>>> Duncan McLaren (Lancaster University)
>>>>>>> d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk <mailto:d.mclaren at lancaster.ac.uk>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Paris Agreement on climate change has set out global
>>>>>>> commitments to keeping global warming well below 2 °C above
>>>>>>> preindustrial levels and to aim for limiting the rise to 1.5
>>>>>>> °C. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has
>>>>>>> concluded that meeting these targets is possible – but
>>>>>>> nearly all of their scenarios rely on the extensive
>>>>>>> deployment of large-scale technologies that remove
>>>>>>> greenhouse gases from the atmosphere but do not currently
>>>>>>> exist (as complete socio-technical systems). Critics have
>>>>>>> argued that assumptions about when such ‘negative emissions’
>>>>>>> technologies might be ready and how they might be deployed
>>>>>>> at an impactful scale are desperately optimistic.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Much like their taxonomic cousins, geoengineering by
>>>>>>> reflecting sunlight back into space, negative emissions
>>>>>>> ideas are also deeply controversial, potentially propping up
>>>>>>> carbon capitalism, making sweeping changes to land-use and
>>>>>>> posing significant environmental risks. This panel seeks to
>>>>>>> explore the politics of these prospective negative emissions
>>>>>>> technologies and what they imply for our changing
>>>>>>> relationship with nature in the age of the Anthropocene. We
>>>>>>> ask: what political imaginaries and interests are
>>>>>>> co-produced with negative emissions ideas in climate models,
>>>>>>> experiments and policies? How might research, development
>>>>>>> and deployment of carbon removal be governed responsibly
>>>>>>> where power relations and socio-technical systems are
>>>>>>> co-evolving? What are the implications for power, knowledge
>>>>>>> and politics of (discursive) decoupling of carbon removal
>>>>>>> from other forms of geoengineering? How does negative
>>>>>>> emissions politics compare to other technoscientific
>>>>>>> politics? What should our roles as STS scholars be when
>>>>>>> engaging with negative emissions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To submit a paper please go to
>>>>>>> https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270<https://nomadit.co.uk/easst/easst2018/conferencesuite.php/panels/6270>
>>>>>>> The call for papers closes at midnight CET on 14 February, 2018.
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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