[Stoves] Please help locate people [Indonesia CSI]
Paul Anderson
psanders at ilstu.edu
Thu Feb 23 13:35:49 CST 2017
Dear Laurent,
So good to hear from you. Next week will be fine for a full reply.
Today I was not successful in log-in to the website. But from my
recollection, the test results were provided only for the 14 stoves that
were accepted for the RBF project. I hope that I am incorrect, or that
you and your co-workers can soon provide the results of all of the 30
stoves.
Until next week,
Paul
Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email: psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website: www.drtlud.com
On 2/23/2017 10:46 AM, Laurent Durix wrote:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> You have reached us.
>
> Thank you for your interest in the results from the Indonesia Cleans
> Stove Initiative (CSI) Pilot and thanks to Iwan Baskoro for bringing
> it to the attention of a wider network of people.
>
> Yabei Zhang (a lady by the way) is on mission until next week and I
> would prefer to have a quick chat with her and Iwan Baskoro before
> answering in further details the very relevant questions you asked.
> Overall the Indonesia CSI is a joint work between the Government of
> Indonesia and the World Bank with close involvement from two NGOs,
> international GERES and local YDD (Yayasan Dian Desa).
>
> Most of the information is meant to be public; more specifically the
> list of eligible stoves and their test results (and the related test
> protocol) are posted here on the Indonesia Stove Alliance website:
>
> http://www.tungkuindonesia.org/en/index.html
>
> The CSI Pilot has recently ended and we are in the process of
> aggregating the results and lessons learnt, which partly explains why
> the information is not yet fully packaged for broad dissemination.
>
> We will get back to you on points 4 to 9 next week as noted earlier,
> we need to verify a few things before doing so.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Laurent Durix
>
> Bcc. Yabei Zhang, Iwan Baskoro
>
> *From:*Paul Anderson [mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:36 AM
> *To:* Laurent Durix <ldurix at worldbank.org>; Stoves and biofuels
> network <Stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> *Subject:* Please help locate people
>
> Stovers,
>
> I am trying to reach each of the men named below: Zhang, Durix,
> Baskoro and Dong. associated with a recent (undated, but probably
> late-2016) conference presentation:
>
>
> TOWARD UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO CLEAN COOKING
> INDONESIA CLEAN STOVE INITIATIVE
> Prepared by
> Yabei ZHANG (Task Team Leader)
> &
> Laurent DURIX (Co-Task Team Leader)
> Presented by
> Yohanes Iwan Baskoro
> Biomass Energy Promotion Practitioner
> at 2016 Forum of Renewable Energy Promotion in Developing Countries
> Beijing, People’s Republic of China
>
> The chairman of the Forum was Dr. Renjie Dong
>
> This is an extremely interesting and valuable 27-slide PowerPoint
> presentation that I read last night. I am trying to determine the
> following:
>
> 1. Is this presentation available on the Internet? Will it be, by whom?
> 2. If not available, can I have permission to place it at one of my
> websites and announce its availability?
>
> 3. What are the email contacts for these men?
> 4. Who has access to the data / results that are summarized in the
> presentation? Especially, who has control of the results of the
> testing of the thirty stoves (out of over 50 stoves submitted) that
> are reported in slides 18 to 22?
>
> 5. Of the 30 stoves tested, 14 are shown with results on slide 19.
> 16 others were not reported.
>
> 6. In particular, on slide 22, is the following:
> "The cleanest and most efficient stoves could not be made available
> [in Indonesia's RBF - Results Based Financing - incentive program]
> (too expensive for international and production issues for the
> Indonesians [stoves])"
>
> 7. In my opinion, this is extremely valuable data, paid for by the
> World Bank and others, that have not been released, not even (as far
> as I can determine) to the companies that had a stove in that group of
> 16. That data should be released, at least to the companies that
> submitted stoves.
>
> 8. Note: On slide 19 showing the 14 included stoves, the price range
> is from ~US$ 8.50 (two stoves) to ~US$ 17 (five stoves). Clearly,
> any stove costing more than US$20 was virtually excluded, regardless
> of its performance. For many of those "international stoves", merely
> the shipping costs could have made them non-competitive in the
> Indonesia program. NOTE: This is NOT a criticism of the Indonesian
> efforts, which actually should be highly commended.
>
> 9. And now as of 2016, we know from the Deganga Case Study (
> drtlud.com/deganga2016 ) that a TLUD stove that costs US$32 at the
> factory in India (no international shipping charges in this case) can
> actually be sold to many thousands of people for only $15 in projects
> with carbon credit assistance. With carbon credit assistance, that
> stove could have been a major participant in the Indonesia efforts,
> and could have begun production in Indonesia by now. Lost opportunities.
>
> So, please help me get the cited presentation available for all of you
> to read, and to have clear contact with the people in Indonesia who
> can provide the requested data.
>
> By the way, the presentation also has extremely interesting
> information about Indonesia's LPG stove project with 54 million (by
> 2012, so now maybe 60+ million) packages of stove and LPG cylinder
> distributed for free.
>
> Paul
>
> --
> Doc / Dr TLUD / Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Skype: paultlud Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>
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