[Stoves] Please help locate people [Indonesia CSI]

[Paul Anderson]

Dear Laurent,

So good to hear from you.   Next week will be fine for a  full reply.

Today I was not successful in log-in to the website.  But from my 
recollection, the test results were provided only for the 14 stoves that 
were accepted for the RBF project.   I hope that I am incorrect, or that 
you and your co-workers can soon provide the results of all of the 30 
stoves.

Until next week,

Paul

Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
Email:  psanders at ilstu.edu
Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
Website:  www.drtlud.com

On 2/23/2017 10:46 AM, Laurent Durix wrote:
>
> Dear Paul,
>
> You have reached us.
>
> Thank you for your interest in the results from the Indonesia Cleans 
> Stove Initiative (CSI) Pilot and thanks to Iwan Baskoro for bringing 
> it to the attention of a wider network of people.
>
> Yabei Zhang (a lady by the way) is on mission until next week and I 
> would prefer to have a quick chat with her and Iwan Baskoro before 
> answering in further details the very relevant questions you asked. 
> Overall the Indonesia CSI is a joint work between the Government of 
> Indonesia and the World Bank with close involvement from two NGOs, 
> international GERES and local YDD (Yayasan Dian Desa).
>
> Most of the information is meant to be public; more specifically the 
> list of eligible stoves and their test results (and the related test 
> protocol) are posted here on the Indonesia Stove Alliance website:
>
> http://www.tungkuindonesia.org/en/index.html
>
> The CSI Pilot has recently ended and we are in the process of 
> aggregating the results and lessons learnt, which partly explains why 
> the information is not yet fully packaged for broad dissemination.
>
> We will get back to you on points 4 to 9 next week as noted earlier, 
> we need to verify a few things before doing so.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Laurent Durix
>
> Bcc. Yabei Zhang, Iwan Baskoro
>
> *From:*Paul Anderson [mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu]
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:36 AM
> *To:* Laurent Durix <ldurix at worldbank.org>; Stoves and biofuels 
> network <Stoves at lists.bioenergylists.org>
> *Subject:* Please help locate people
>
> Stovers,
>
> I am trying to reach each of the men named below:   Zhang, Durix, 
> Baskoro and Dong.  associated with a recent (undated, but probably 
> late-2016) conference presentation:
>
>
>     TOWARD UNIVERSAL ACCESS TO CLEAN COOKING
>     INDONESIA CLEAN STOVE INITIATIVE
>     Prepared by
>     Yabei ZHANG (Task Team Leader)
>     &
>     Laurent DURIX (Co-Task Team Leader)
>     Presented by
>     Yohanes Iwan Baskoro
>     Biomass Energy Promotion Practitioner
>     at 2016 Forum of Renewable Energy Promotion in Developing Countries
>     Beijing, People’s Republic of China
>
> The chairman of the Forum was Dr.  Renjie Dong
>
> This is an extremely interesting and valuable 27-slide PowerPoint 
> presentation that I read last night.  I am trying to determine the 
> following:
>
> 1.  Is this presentation available on the Internet?  Will it be, by whom?
> 2.  If not available, can I have permission to place it at one of my 
> websites and announce its availability?
>
> 3.  What are the email contacts for these men?
> 4.  Who has access to the data / results that are summarized in the 
> presentation?  Especially, who has control of the results of the 
> testing of the thirty stoves (out of over 50 stoves submitted) that 
> are reported in slides 18 to 22?
>
> 5.  Of the 30 stoves tested, 14 are shown with results on slide 19.  
> 16 others were not reported.
>
> 6.  In particular, on slide 22, is the following:
> "The cleanest and most efficient stoves could not be made available 
> [in Indonesia's RBF - Results Based Financing - incentive program] 
> (too expensive for international and production issues for the 
> Indonesians [stoves])"
>
> 7.  In my opinion, this is extremely valuable data, paid for by the 
> World Bank and others, that have not been released, not even (as far 
> as I can determine) to the companies that had a stove in that group of 
> 16.   That data should be released, at least to the companies that 
> submitted stoves.
>
> 8.  Note:  On slide 19 showing the 14 included stoves, the price range 
> is from ~US$ 8.50 (two stoves) to ~US$ 17 (five stoves).   Clearly, 
> any stove costing more than US$20 was virtually excluded, regardless 
> of its performance.   For many of those "international stoves", merely 
> the shipping costs could have made them non-competitive in the 
> Indonesia program.   NOTE:  This is NOT a criticism of the Indonesian 
> efforts, which actually should be highly commended.
>
> 9.  And now as of 2016, we know from the Deganga Case Study ( 
> drtlud.com/deganga2016 ) that a TLUD stove that costs US$32 at the 
> factory in India (no international shipping charges in this case) can 
> actually be sold to many thousands of people for only $15 in projects 
> with carbon credit assistance.   With carbon credit assistance, that 
> stove could have been a major participant in the Indonesia efforts, 
> and could have begun production in Indonesia by now.  Lost opportunities.
>
> So, please help me get the cited presentation available for all of you 
> to read, and to have clear contact with the people in Indonesia who 
> can provide the requested data.
>
> By the way, the presentation also has extremely interesting 
> information about Indonesia's LPG stove project with 54 million (by 
> 2012, so now maybe 60+ million) packages of stove and LPG cylinder 
> distributed for free.
>
> Paul
>
> -- 
> Doc  /  Dr TLUD  /  Prof. Paul S. Anderson, PhD
> Email:psanders at ilstu.edu <mailto:psanders at ilstu.edu>
> Skype:   paultlud    Phone: +1-309-452-7072
> Website:www.drtlud.com <http://www.drtlud.com>

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